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<blockquote data-quote="Hunter 257W" data-source="post: 4473559" data-attributes="member: 12277"><p><strong>Re: Home Defense</strong></p><p></p><p>My main defense gun is a pump shotgun loaded with 2 3/4" #4 buckshot. A shotgun is a lot easier to hit with under stress not because of pattern spread(which is going to be insignificant at across the living room ranges) but because you shoot it with two hands and have far better control compared to a handgun. I don't worry too much about over penetration because of the layout of my house and where all the bedrooms are. Regardless the #4 buckshot is not known for over penetration. I have no doubt that it will go thorough almost any interior house wall though. But then just about anything powerful enough to be effective will do that. I agree that the 223 loaded with varmint bullets might very well be safer than any handgun because those frangible bullets will penetrate a lot less than most slow moving handgun bullets. A 223 at ranges measured in feet is going to have impact velocities similar to the same bullet fired from a 22-250, 220 Swift, etc. at 100 to 150 yards and at those distances such bullets often don't fully penetrate a groundhog. That's a good thing because it messes up the bad guys innards and keeps everybody else safe. Probably the only effective gun you could use for home defense that won't shoot through walls would be very small shot in a shotgun. Probably #5 or smaller shot. I recall once however shooting through a pine 2x6 with 1 1/8 ounces of #9 and 18 grains of Red Dot. The range was no more than a foot or two but it punched a ragged hole through. I'm sure that if I'd backed off to 10 feet it wouldn't have even come close to punching through.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hunter 257W, post: 4473559, member: 12277"] [b]Re: Home Defense[/b] My main defense gun is a pump shotgun loaded with 2 3/4" #4 buckshot. A shotgun is a lot easier to hit with under stress not because of pattern spread(which is going to be insignificant at across the living room ranges) but because you shoot it with two hands and have far better control compared to a handgun. I don't worry too much about over penetration because of the layout of my house and where all the bedrooms are. Regardless the #4 buckshot is not known for over penetration. I have no doubt that it will go thorough almost any interior house wall though. But then just about anything powerful enough to be effective will do that. I agree that the 223 loaded with varmint bullets might very well be safer than any handgun because those frangible bullets will penetrate a lot less than most slow moving handgun bullets. A 223 at ranges measured in feet is going to have impact velocities similar to the same bullet fired from a 22-250, 220 Swift, etc. at 100 to 150 yards and at those distances such bullets often don't fully penetrate a groundhog. That's a good thing because it messes up the bad guys innards and keeps everybody else safe. Probably the only effective gun you could use for home defense that won't shoot through walls would be very small shot in a shotgun. Probably #5 or smaller shot. I recall once however shooting through a pine 2x6 with 1 1/8 ounces of #9 and 18 grains of Red Dot. The range was no more than a foot or two but it punched a ragged hole through. I'm sure that if I'd backed off to 10 feet it wouldn't have even come close to punching through. [/QUOTE]
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