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<blockquote data-quote="Mike Belt" data-source="post: 4547426" data-attributes="member: 69"><p>Something that has me confused is that it's said you can't base management decisions on hunter observations but when tallying all hunter observations for the year and posting those numbers they're used to show that we have no shortage of does. With no other censuses being done what else is used to determine numbers? For the most part there's nothing that makes does unique as in buck sightings. The same hunter can hunt the same stand 5 days in a row and see 6 does each set. Chances are very good he's seeing the same deer daily. There's possibly another hunter hunting just over the ridge from him for those 5 days. He's seeing the same does. Together their observation forms indicate 60 does. Unless I'm missing some other formula used if management's decision to remove "X" number of does is based on club wide season wide observations then it appears to me that they're basing kill quotas on over inflated numbers. Of course there's no way to prove that those does sighted were the same does daily but just as well there's no way to prove they weren't. The end result appears to be that there are fewer "individual" deer being seen because there are fewer "individual" deer still alive. It's great that management realizes this and makes adjustments albeit this late in the season I question the significance. It'll be interesting to see just how this plays into next year's goals.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mike Belt, post: 4547426, member: 69"] Something that has me confused is that it's said you can't base management decisions on hunter observations but when tallying all hunter observations for the year and posting those numbers they're used to show that we have no shortage of does. With no other censuses being done what else is used to determine numbers? For the most part there's nothing that makes does unique as in buck sightings. The same hunter can hunt the same stand 5 days in a row and see 6 does each set. Chances are very good he's seeing the same deer daily. There's possibly another hunter hunting just over the ridge from him for those 5 days. He's seeing the same does. Together their observation forms indicate 60 does. Unless I'm missing some other formula used if management's decision to remove "X" number of does is based on club wide season wide observations then it appears to me that they're basing kill quotas on over inflated numbers. Of course there's no way to prove that those does sighted were the same does daily but just as well there's no way to prove they weren't. The end result appears to be that there are fewer "individual" deer being seen because there are fewer "individual" deer still alive. It's great that management realizes this and makes adjustments albeit this late in the season I question the significance. It'll be interesting to see just how this plays into next year's goals. [/QUOTE]
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