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<blockquote data-quote="deerfever" data-source="post: 5057836" data-attributes="member: 13434"><p>We have this discussion every single year. Just because a man shoots TSS doesn't mean he is shooting turkey at 50 , 60 , 70 yards. I use it and have yet to shoot over 35 yards at a turkey there are always going to be unethical people in everything you do and people shoot the ridiculous distances with lead also but please do not think all of us are in that category . I want the best possible pattern for a clean ethical kill for my son and I . I am using a 20 and 410 so the TSS is what I feel is best. Now to the topic, Let's just look at how bad the TN turkey hunting has gotten. Now I know in some areas of the state it has dropped , I believe it when guys on here that have hunted for years say that. Also believe this it is better in some parts of our state then it has ever been . Let's look at the numbers, since 2000 Tn has killed 30,000 or more Turkey except 2018 in which it was just below. Ky kill also dropped in 2018 , Ky is a two bird state and dropped by 18 percent that year from 2017( Game and Fish article). Last year we set a state record in Tn of over 40,000 birds killed . I realize covid had an impact on that. Missouri another state that is always been brought up dropped by thousands of kills over the years ,.I have cited the article twice that gave the numbers . My point is if these states do everything correctly ( later start dates , limits) why the drop in kills? If Tn does it all wrong why have we remained steady? Go over to the Alabama site and they are having the same discussion and are livid at the thought of a later start date and a 3 bird limit as the limit is 5. Minnesota starts April 14, so most on here believe we should start at the same time as Minnesota? I disagree but would be more than willing to say juvenile is the first Saturday in April with the season starting the next Saturday if that was proven to help poult production as that is the key. Where did the late start date theory come from? I assume this is still just a theory? LBL would probably prove it wrong . They have the later start date and have had it for years and it was just pointed out that it has gotten worse In an above post, So why fool with that or believe it? LBL is the model in this state for a later date and it has done that since I can remember but it's gotten worse? They have also had a two bird limit and a two week season. The other 3 hunts are quota hunts that last two days. Again you need to look no further than LBL to see that this theory probably isn't accurate. If it was , no way it would have gotten to the point of a 1 bird limit at LBL? They reduced the limit by 1 ( that does not bother me at all)and no bonus birds which the bonus bird deal really doesn't make any sense at all as those are controlled hunts on specific pieces of property. In my opinion I believe that banning gobbler decoys , fans and not shooting jakes or hens would do more than a later start date or anything that has been done so far. Also trap the heck out of the nest predators! Habitat improvement where possible for nesting! Just one man's opinion , I am sure it's wrong!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="deerfever, post: 5057836, member: 13434"] We have this discussion every single year. Just because a man shoots TSS doesn't mean he is shooting turkey at 50 , 60 , 70 yards. I use it and have yet to shoot over 35 yards at a turkey there are always going to be unethical people in everything you do and people shoot the ridiculous distances with lead also but please do not think all of us are in that category . I want the best possible pattern for a clean ethical kill for my son and I . I am using a 20 and 410 so the TSS is what I feel is best. Now to the topic, Let's just look at how bad the TN turkey hunting has gotten. Now I know in some areas of the state it has dropped , I believe it when guys on here that have hunted for years say that. Also believe this it is better in some parts of our state then it has ever been . Let's look at the numbers, since 2000 Tn has killed 30,000 or more Turkey except 2018 in which it was just below. Ky kill also dropped in 2018 , Ky is a two bird state and dropped by 18 percent that year from 2017( Game and Fish article). Last year we set a state record in Tn of over 40,000 birds killed . I realize covid had an impact on that. Missouri another state that is always been brought up dropped by thousands of kills over the years ,.I have cited the article twice that gave the numbers . My point is if these states do everything correctly ( later start dates , limits) why the drop in kills? If Tn does it all wrong why have we remained steady? Go over to the Alabama site and they are having the same discussion and are livid at the thought of a later start date and a 3 bird limit as the limit is 5. Minnesota starts April 14, so most on here believe we should start at the same time as Minnesota? I disagree but would be more than willing to say juvenile is the first Saturday in April with the season starting the next Saturday if that was proven to help poult production as that is the key. Where did the late start date theory come from? I assume this is still just a theory? LBL would probably prove it wrong . They have the later start date and have had it for years and it was just pointed out that it has gotten worse In an above post, So why fool with that or believe it? LBL is the model in this state for a later date and it has done that since I can remember but it's gotten worse? They have also had a two bird limit and a two week season. The other 3 hunts are quota hunts that last two days. Again you need to look no further than LBL to see that this theory probably isn't accurate. If it was , no way it would have gotten to the point of a 1 bird limit at LBL? They reduced the limit by 1 ( that does not bother me at all)and no bonus birds which the bonus bird deal really doesn't make any sense at all as those are controlled hunts on specific pieces of property. In my opinion I believe that banning gobbler decoys , fans and not shooting jakes or hens would do more than a later start date or anything that has been done so far. Also trap the heck out of the nest predators! Habitat improvement where possible for nesting! Just one man's opinion , I am sure it's wrong! [/QUOTE]
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