Yes, I used a black powder substitute in a black powder rifle, paid for expensive primers and failed to read the instructions(online), as many non BP experts would. So you are basically saying I need to replace my BP rifles or modify them to use a powder that essentially does nothing for me? All my rifles I've owned have had great accuracy if I do my part, even when I used RBs, and used within their limitations. I now have a Thompson Black Diamond, and a Thompson Triumph, sold the CVA, and both can handle BH209 without any mods, but once I finish the bottle I have I doubt I will get another. Again, BH209 has it's merits, as it does seem to be a cleaner powder than the others mentioned, but that is only good for range time as I clean my ML after every hunt and usually have only fired once, I have not seen any improvements at the target. Since I now rarely hunt BP anymore, the powder I have will last for some time, so it will be many years before that happens unless I do some plinking now and then.GMB54":1sp3t1re said:So you used a 1995 rifle design made well before BH209 and its the powders fault? You tried #11 and its the powders fault? You used more expensive ML 209s and it was the powders fault? Every mistake you made could have been prevented by going to Blackhorn209.com before you ever bought the first bottle. So clearly it was not the powder to blame, it was you and your rifle.
Almost any modern inline can be made reliable very cheaply. Virtually all of them have plugs available excluding models that require open ignition to comply with PacNW regs. Older Omegas and most new T/Cs need nothing. They ignite it just fine right out of the box. The old Savage ML-II and ML-BP worked just fine right out of the box.
I never use mag primers in my Knight/Lehigh plugs and never had a fail to fire. I paid under $30 for them and they have been flawless with a regular Win209 which are roughly half the price of a WinT7 primer. Ive shot hundreds of near slip fit conicals without a hitch and stellar accuracy so what is it im able to do that makes BH209 so elusive to others?
No, and I don't expect for a regular BP rifle to handle smokeless. And I don't shoot competitions, just hunt and plink so...GMB54":qc74jkje said:Would you expect a old Swede Mauser to handle the same loads as a modern 6.5x55?....Didnt think so. There is no difference. Modern loads need modern equipment.
Its super simple, 2 powders win at the inline matches over and over again....Swiss and mostly BH209. There must be a reason why so many are using it and winning year after year. If i was talking about a old Knight MK85 or 451 Gibbs i would grab some Swiss or OE and never look back. Either will smoke pellets from here to next Sunday for less cost per shot. Both are well suited in virtually any ignition type. Both produce speeds similar to Triple7 loose but better standard deviations.
RobDooley":i7ekwzpe said:I switched to BH 209 several years ago. No comparison. It is so hot there is minimal drop of 250 grain barnes tez at 100 yards with 110 grains of powder.