Why the wine issue in TN?

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As a new citizen of TN, why are politicans agains buying wine at a grocery store? Why are there laws in place to buy liquor at any store? Or atleast letting locals decide how they want to handle it?

I guess I don't understand the thinking behind this growing up in WI where there are bars on every street corner. There were 2 meeting places in town, church on Wednesdays and Sundays and the local bar on Fridays. You can buy beer, wine or booze at any store with a liquor sale permit, from a gas station to the Sam's Club. What difference does it make where you buy it?

I mean it's a huge pain if you like to cook and need some wine, it's an extra stop you need to make at an always extremely busy liqour store. Secondly why have these restrictions at all, they seem to be imposing personal beliefs onto others.

I'm not trying to start a fight here, I just don't understand the reasoning behind the limitations.
 

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A major reason for this is the liquor lobby. The lobbiest for liquor stores know it will kill the liquor store business if wine is sold everywhere (grocery stores) rather than just at their establishment. Most citizens of Tennessee would like to see wine in grocery stores but the politicians get their money from the lobby folks.

Baptist would love to have it in grocery stores. That way they wouldn't have to wear fake moustaches and dark glasses and ball caps to the liquor store! They could hide it at the bottom of the basket! :)
 

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We're trying to keep Tn from becoming like WI. LOL :grin: I kid, I kid!!

People move away from states TO states that have a decent standard of living. TN is one of those states. The fear, from the people at least, is that this will further degrade the standard.

Personally, I dont have a problem with it from a freedom standpoint but honestly would rather not have it in stores.
 

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I think of a (my) wine store similar to a butcher shop. I like to stop and chat, see whats new that has come in, even taste something. I'd rather the sales go to a small business owner rather than Publix, Kroger, or a convenience market.
 

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Because it keeps small businesses in business!!!!

Not competing with the Kroger Union, Gas Station Foreigner or the WalMart Empire helps small businesses. Small Business = Good Economy.

JMHO
 

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Seems like there is beer in every gas station and grocery store but not wine or anything else, never understood the weird laws but whatever... More importantly I will be 21 in a couple months :D
 

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Its an alliance of interest from liquor stores and religious groups. Liquor stores don't want competition and religious don't want more places to buy alchohol. Very much like the alliance of religious and Casinos that keep gambling out of Memphis even though it is less than an hour away enriching MS.
 

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I shop local when I can. Just not a fan of the law changing when all people have to do is make one more stop. I know we're a society that's all about convenience. Just would hate to see my local wine supplier take a hit. After all, he provides me with a top shelf bottle of bourbon every year.
 

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There is only one reason why it failed�Liquor Lobby money....and lot's of it. There are many, many States that allow wine to be sold in grocery stores, and several allow liquor as well, and it hasn't hurt the package stores one bit. If you go to States like Wisconsin, Ohio, Georgia or Florida, you will find 2-3 package stores within a stones throw of a grocery store that sells wine, so the argument that it will hurt package stores is false and a blatant lie. It is just pathetic that the People aren't allowed to vote on it�even though we have been begging for it for years.
 

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How many states that allow wine sales in grocery stores have the liquor stores controlled by the state. I'm probably way off, but the first thing that comes to mind are ABC stores.
 

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I didn't mean to start a huge fight here. I thought maybe there was a reason beside political money behind it.

Personally I see it as a block to the free market and personal freedom, but thats just me.

I now live in TN and will stop at the liquor store when I need any adult beverages.
 

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What baffled me more than anything was the first time I stopped AT A LIQUOR STORE to get beer and whiskey in Paris one time.
Got the beer then started looking for whiskey.
I asked the dude, ya'll don't sell whiskey?
He said no, you can't sell beer and whiskey in the same store in TN.
You can go next door to our Liquor store and get it though.

:eek: HUH????

Then I realized I had always bought mine in KY and it ain't that way.
 

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RUGER said:
He said no, you can't sell beer and whiskey in the same store in TN.

Can't remember how the old saying goes but something like this: "Whiskey before beer never fear" or was it "Beer after whiskey, mighty risky"

Crap, I can't remember except to know that I definately got it wrong one time back in college and drove the porcelain bus through the bad part of town! :sick:
 

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Redfred16 said:
As a new citizen of TN, why are politicans agains buying wine at a grocery store? Why are there laws in place to buy liquor at any store? Or atleast letting locals decide how they want to handle it?

I guess I don't understand the thinking behind this growing up in WI where there are bars on every street corner. There were 2 meeting places in town, church on Wednesdays and Sundays and the local bar on Fridays. You can buy beer, wine or booze at any store with a liquor sale permit, from a gas station to the Sam's Club. What difference does it make where you buy it?

I mean it's a huge pain if you like to cook and need some wine, it's an extra stop you need to make at an always extremely busy liqour store. Secondly why have these restrictions at all, they seem to be imposing personal beliefs onto others.

I'm not trying to start a fight here, I just don't understand the reasoning behind the limitations.

Simply stated, TN's antiquated Blue Laws have established a highly regulated industry of small businesses. Liquor store owners aren't allowed to directly operate more than one location. So, essentially, the state highly regulates thousands of single-location small businesses. Over the course of many years, they have severely regulated not only how a business is to operate, who they may employ, and other things, but strictly limited the items a business is allowed to sell. Liquor stores are prohibited from selling bottle openers, wine tools, non-alcoholic beverages (except for specific coctail mixers), cigarettes, lotto tickets, or anything else.

For years, large grocery stores have unsuccessfully lobbied for the ability to sell wine in stores not already dedicated to liquor sales. They want to weasel into a market to capitalize on bulk buying agreements to undercut the small business market created by the state. Furthermore, they have successfully lobbied the legislators to allow them to operate under different laws than the liquor stores, while still maintaining the strict regulations. Under the guise of "we're just trying to make things convenient for our shoppers", they are slowly gaining traction. And because one or two large corporations can afford high-priced lobbyists, they are having a simple time battling thousands of individual liquor store owners.

The blowback has stemmed from people that still recognize that a liquor store that has made a living serving a specific customer base, and recognize that Kroger will just about kill the small business model.

Liquor stores will still be prohibited from selling ANYTHING but liquor, high gravity beers, and coctail mixers (as opposed to Cokes, juices, sodas, etc.), while Kroger can buy truckloads of Franzia and sell boxed wine one aisle down from tampons, tomatoes, and dog food (and beer, and cigarettes, and coke, and lotto tickets, and Coinstar machines).

Some people defend the "free market" by saying that the consumer will benefit by lower prices and convenience. Unfortunately, they overlook the fact that there's no such thing as a "free market", especially in the TN liquor industry. Since a truckload of Franzia will cost about $5/unit, Kroger can make the same exorbitant mark-up as the liquor store, but at a lower end-user cost. So anyone that relies on a liquor store for finer quality wine, or a proprietor that can help guide a more refined wine drinker can just about expect that market to dry up.

It's not a matter of "convenience" for the average wine buyer in the state, but the notion that a large corporation is trying to use the legislature to unfairly tip the scales of competition. They want us to contact our legislators to demand "convenience and lower prices". But what they're not telling you is that they will not be held to the same standards as other liquor stores.
 

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I talked with a guy from Busters recently, and here was his explanation:

"We (Busters in Memphis) are the largest liquor retailer in the state. Last year we had $13M in gross sales. How much of that do you think was wine sales?"

I figured total wine sales was probably somewhere near 50% of their business.

"Nope. Wine costing less than $25/unit represented 80% of our total sales last year. If Kroger bullies its way into the market, we will lose the largest portion of our business. Our store alone employs 150 people. Imagine that same impact across the state."

Contrary to popular opinion, this isn't just a matter of "rich liquor lobbyists" fighting big-box competition. As I explained above, the liquor industry will still operate under the same strict regulations as before. But this time, they will be competing against national retail chains that will not follow under the same set of rules. They operate in a manner that state law dictates.....the proposed new laws will do nothing but chop the heads off of an entire industry.
 

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No different than any other small business that has to deal with the competition of bigger business, why should Wine/Liquor be any different than say a Sporting goods store?
 

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TAFKAP, I really didn't mean to start an argument here. But how do you explain that liquor stores exist in states that don't offer this protected market?

If the idea of all this is that the grocery stores will have an unfair advantage due to rules on liquor stores, then why not change those rules instead of having a government protected business? This was the same argement in Wisconsin, where they used to have a minimum mark up law on gas. This was to prevent the big oil compnay owned stations from under under cutting the mom and pop stations. Well they finally got did away with the law, gas prices dropped and no one closed down that wasn't already on the way out of business.
 

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Wow TAFKAP, never would have thought that.
If it was up to me ALL the wine sellers would go broke. :)

Haven't bought a bottle since the early 80's and don't plan on ever buying another one. :D


Good point Winchester.
 

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