Kills are definitely a factor for me. Deer passed are just as big of a factor. As long as i am seeing quality deer, I feel it is a success. This year there has been an unbelievable level of high end 2 1/2 year olds and more 3 1/2 yr olds than I can remember. In this group, I have seen four 9 pters and nine 8 pters. Some were hard to pass but their potential is very promising. If I could get them to show up next year, there is the trick!