Vol Commit #1 In Nation

[Vermin93]

Vols have over 800 victories,second to only Alabama,six National Championships,many SEC Championships,all-time top ten program,so Tennessee has a very good past we will always remember arty: arty: arty:

Dear Vol fans,

You have two national championships.

Sincerely,
The NCAA

 

[buckaroo]

Wrong!

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Vols have over 800 victories,second to only Alabama,six National Championships,many SEC Championships,all-time top ten program,so Tennessee has a very good past we will always remember arty: arty: arty:

Dear Vol fans,

You have two national championships.

Sincerely,
The NCAA

Dear Irish fans,


Notre Dame football sucks, period. They are always over-rated and they always choke.


Sincerely,
Everyone

 

[Vermin93]

Click on this link to the official NCAA website and search for the word "Tennessee". Or, you could just look at 1951 and 1998 because those are the only 2 places you will find it. :rotf:

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

Since Notre Dame "always" chokes, check out this recent Notre Dame choke job! arty:

 

[Wrangler95]

Vols have over 800 victories,second to only Alabama,six National Championships,many SEC Championships,all-time top ten program,so Tennessee has a very good past we will always remember arty: arty: arty:

Dear Vol fans,

You have two national championships.

Sincerely,
The NCAA

Plus four

 

[Wrangler95]

Tennessee has 811 victories,8th place all-time arty: arty: arty:

And did I mention the six National Championships

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football

 

[darn2ten]

http://deadspin.com/5975168/the-definit ... -is-a-liar


1951: Maryland. Tennessee likes to claim this one as a "consensus" national title but lost as No. 1 to the undefeated Terps in the Sugar Bowl. That is behavior unbecoming a national champion, consensus or otherwise, and the Volunteers should acknowledge as much.

 

[Wrangler95]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football

These Vol haters are pitiful,can't point out the facts to them :bash:

 

[Vermin93]

Here is an example of how ridiculous Vol fans are when it comes to counting national championships. The Vols claim the 1967 national championship. The Vols went 9-2 in 1967, with a loss at UCLA and a loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. The real 1967 national champion as recognized by the NCAA is USC, which went 10-1 that year with a loss at Oregon State and a win against Indiana in the Rose Bowl. So, the Vols claim the national championship even though they lost their bowl game.

Let's take a closer look....

There are actually 4 teams that were recognized as being 1967 national champions by at least one selector.

Notre Dame 8–2: Dunkel System
Oklahoma 10–1: Poling System
Tennessee 9–2: Litkenhous
USC 10–1: Associated Press (AP), Berryman (QPRS), Billingsley Report, College Football Researchers Association, DeVold System, Football News, Football Writers Association of America, Helms Athletic Foundation, Matthews Grid Ratings, National Championship Foundation, National Football Foundation, Sagarin Ratings, United Press International (UPI)

Notice that USC was recognized as national champions by 13 different selectors, including all of the ones that anyone takes seriously, which are the Associated Press (AP), Football Writers Association of America, National Football Foundation, and United Press International (UPI). Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Tennessee were each recognized as 1967 national champions by a single selector that most people never heard of. The only one of those selectors that still exists today is the Dunkel System, which selected Notre Dame. The Poling System, which selected Oklahoma, and Litkenhous, which selected Tenneessee, both no longer exist.

So, this begs some interesting questions...

Does Notre Dame count the 1967 national championship as one of the own? No, they do not.

Does Oklahoma, which beat Tennessee in the Orange Bowl, count the 1967 national championship as one of their own? No, they do not.

Does Tennessee, which lost to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, count the 1967 national championship as one of the own? Yes, they do.

Does USC, which was selected as the 1967 national champion by 13 different selectors including all the major ones, count the 1967 national championship as one of their own? Of course they do, and so does the NCAA for obvious reasons.

So, best case, Tennessee is the 1967 Litkenhouse national champion with a bowl game loss to Oklahoma. Basically, one step above a participation trophy. :rotf:

 

[Scioto]

kids will be kids.Coach Urban Meyer, the Gators accumulated numbers — of victories and accolades and championships — at dizzying rates. In six seasons, they won 65 games, two Southeastern Conference championships and two national titles.
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At least 31 arrests were made of members of the University of Florida teams coached from 2005 to 2010 by Urban Meyer.

Jamar Hornsby was among one of the players who faced charge
In recent years, though, another number has been affixed to the Meyer era. That number is 31, as in, at least 31 arrests of Florida's football players from 2005 to 2010.

Many of the charges were typical of college campuses: under-age drinking, disorderly conduct, violations of open-container laws. But other, more serious charges included aggravated stalking, domestic violence by strangulation, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny and fraudulent use of credit cards, according to criminal record databases. Most of the cases never went to trial, the charges having been dropped or pleaded down.Gators' football dominance was recently highlighted when Aaron Hernandez, a starting tight end on the 2008 national championship team who later played for the New England Patriots, was accused by authorities of committing an execution-style murder in Massachusetts. While at Florida, Hernandez had run-ins with the police in Gainesville, who questioned him and three teammates after a 2007 shooting and recommended a felony battery charge against him after a fight at a restaurant (the case was not pursued).
A roster on the university's Web site lists 121 players, 41 of whom have been arrested, either in college or afterward, and sometimes both. That number included 16 players on that season's final two-deep roster, nine of whom were starters, as well as a kicker, punter and returner. Several of those players went on to the N.F.L., and one, Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton, later won the Heisman Trophy playing for Auburn.

Uh Badnole, one would think a Florida State fan would understand the meaning of "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones," but it's well understood that those who attend FSU aren't smart enough to get into UF.

 

[Scioto]

Here is an example of how ridiculous Vol fans are when it comes to counting national championships. The Vols claim the 1967 national championship. The Vols went 9-2 in 1967, with a loss at UCLA and a loss to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. The real 1967 national champion as recognized by the NCAA is USC, which went 10-1 that year with a loss at Oregon State and a win against Indiana in the Rose Bowl. So, the Vols claim the national championship even though they lost their bowl game.

Let's take a closer look....

There are actually 4 teams that were recognized as being 1967 national champions by at least one selector.

Notre Dame 8–2: Dunkel System
Oklahoma 10–1: Poling System
Tennessee 9–2: Litkenhous
USC 10–1: Associated Press (AP), Berryman (QPRS), Billingsley Report, College Football Researchers Association, DeVold System, Football News, Football Writers Association of America, Helms Athletic Foundation, Matthews Grid Ratings, National Championship Foundation, National Football Foundation, Sagarin Ratings, United Press International (UPI)

Notice that USC was recognized as national champions by 13 different selectors, including all of the ones that anyone takes seriously, which are the Associated Press (AP), Football Writers Association of America, National Football Foundation, and United Press International (UPI). Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Tennessee were each recognized as 1967 national champions by a single selector that most people never heard of. The only one of those selectors that still exists today is the Dunkel System, which selected Notre Dame. The Poling System, which selected Oklahoma, and Litkenhous, which selected Tenneessee, both no longer exist.

So, this begs some interesting questions...

Does Notre Dame count the 1967 national championship as one of the own? No, they do not.

Does Oklahoma, which beat Tennessee in the Orange Bowl, count the 1967 national championship as one of their own? No, they do not.

Does Tennessee, which lost to Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, count the 1967 national championship as one of the own? Yes, they do.

Does USC, which was selected as the 1967 national champion by 13 different selectors including all the major ones, count the 1967 national championship as one of their own? Of course they do, and so does the NCAA for obvious reasons.

So, best case, Tennessee is the 1967 Litkenhouse national champion with a bowl game loss to Oklahoma. Basically, one step above a participation trophy. :rotf:

Vermin, with the exception of 1998, I don't think UT won their bowl game in any of the other years that they "claim" a national championship. The operative word is "claim" as opposed to "recognized" by the NCAA as official. Prior to 1974 the UPI (coaches poll) awarded their national champion prior to the bowl games. For example, Ohio State could "claim" the 1970 national championship because they were so declared by UPI prior to losing the Rose Bowl (to Jim Plunkett and Stanford). I'm sure there are Buckeye fans who claim that one but it's not recognized.

 

[Scioto]

Just checked the official Ohio State source. Unlike UT (but like Notre Dame) Ohio State does not recognize nor claim 1970 as a national championship. It bears a mention that Wikipedia, compiled by who knows who, lays claim to a 1970 national championship by OSU. Wikipedia is not official and is wrong on that fact.

 

[baddnole]

Thats a silly statement. You should check your facts.Is the info on UF or Urban that caused you to post?This doesn't even list anything from the Muschamp era,which is considerable.Oh yeah---must be Urban. Oh ,and please don't try to tell me about the hard courses that O state players take.
How long before Urban has your program in the same mess as UF.
I may need to check the arrest records at O ST,maybe already there.
Stones not needed,plenty of BB guns at FSU.
In the wake of the whole Aaron Hernandez ordeal, increased scrutiny has come upon former Florida football coach Urban Meyer and his players' rather conspicuous arrest record in his time in Gainesville – 31 arrests by 25 players in six years, all starting with Dawayne Grace back in 2005. Here is just a sampling.

1. Dawayne Grace
Charged in July 2005 with misdemeanor battery and theft. Charges were dropped by the victim.

Charged in October 2005 on disorderly conduct for his involvement in a fight. He completed 7.5 hours of community service and suspended indefinitely. He later transferred.

2. Jon Demps
Charged in May 2006 with possession of Marijuana. Sentenced to 12.5 hours of community service and suspended for three games.

3. Avery Atkins
Charged in July 2006 with domestic battery after an altercation with the mother of his child. Suspended immediately by school but later had charges dropped.

4. Jacques Rickerson
Charged in February 2007 with possession of Marijuana. Rickerson was suspended for one game and the charges were dropped.

5. Dustin Doe
Charged April 2007 with resisting arrest after a fight. He had the charges dropped and faced no discipline from the school.

6. Ronnie Wilson
Charged in April 2007 with assault and battery, as well as carrying a concealed weapon, after an incident in which shots were fired. He pleaded no contest but had his felony charges reduced to misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 100 hours of community service. He was suspended from both the team and the school for the entire 2007-2008 season and school year.

7. Jamar Hornsby
Cited for property damage for throwing a man onto a car during a fight. The charge was dismissed.

8. John Curtis
Charged in May 2007 for violation of his probation from an earlier alcohol citation. He complied, served the rest of his probation and had the case dismissed.

9. Dorian Munroe
Charged in May 2007 with felony theft after removing a police boot from his car and stashing it in his truck. The charges were dropped and Munroe faced no discipline from the school.

10. Brandon James
Charged in June 2007 with both purchasing and possession of marijuana, a felony and a misdemeanor, respectively. The felony charge was dropped, and James was sentenced to probation for the misdemeanor and suspended one game.

11. Tony Joiner
Charged in October 2007 with felony theft for breaking into an impound lot and retrieving his girlfriend's towed car. The charges were dropped and he was never suspended, but he was removed as team captain.

12. Jermaine Cunningham
Charged in December 2007 with battery after an altercation with a cashier. The charges were dropped and Cunningham was not suspended, but he was forced to forgo his bowl game gifts.

13. Ronnie Wilson (2nd incident)
Charged in January 2008 with misdemeanor possession of Marijuana. The charges were dropped.

14. Jamar Hornsby (2nd incident)
Charged in spring, 2008 with using a stolen credit card of a Florida student who died to make over 70 illegal purchases, mainly gas. He took a plea deal and had his sentence reduced to probation and community service and was dismissed from the team immediately. He later served jail time for assault.

15. Ronnie Wilson (3rd incident)
Charged in July 2008 with battery and assault after a fight. The charges were dropped, but Wilson was dismissed from the team.

16. Jacques Rickerson
Charged in November 2008 with felony domestic violence after an altercation with his girlfriend. Rickerson was immediately kicked off the team. The charges were reduced to misdemeanor and Rickerson got off with probation.

17. Cam Newton
Charged in November 2008 with felony burglary after stealing another student's laptop. He served community service and probation and was suspended for the remainder of the season. He of course transferred to Auburn.

18. Riley Cooper
Charged in February of 2009 with failure to comply with a police officer. The case was dismissed.

19. Carl Johnson
Charged in February 2009 with a violation of a restraining order after getting on the same campus bus as his ex-girlfriend. The charges were dropped.

20. Torrey Davis
Charged in March 2009 for knowingly driving with a suspended license on multiple occasions. He served jail time and was immediately dismissed from the team.

21. Marquis Hannah
Charged in April 2009 with burglary and battery for punching a man during an attempted robbery. The case was dismissed, but Hannah was also kicked off the team.

22. Janoris Jenkins
Charged in summer of 2009 with resisting arrest after a fight. The charges were dropped and the matter was "handled internally."

23. Dustin Doe (2nd incident)
Charged in July 2009 for knowingly driving with a suspended license. Sentenced to six months probation and fined. He was suspended indefinitely but reinstated for the 2009 season.

24. Carlos Dunlap
Charged in December 2009 with DUI after falling asleep at a stoplight. He pled guilty and was sentenced to six months probation and 50 hours of community service and was suspended one game.

25. Gary Brown
Charged in February 2010 with battery after slapping a women at a party. He was dismissed from the team.

26. Frankie Hammond Jr.
Charged in June 2010 with DUI after failing a field sobriety test. He was sentenced to 12 months probation, suspended from the team and had his scholarship revoked, but later rejoined the team.

27. Matt Elam
Charged in July 2010 with an MIP (Minor in Possession of alcohol). He was fined but not suspended by the team.

28. Solomon Patton
Charged in August 2010 with an MIP. He was fined but not suspended.

29. Chris Rainey
Charged in September 2010 with felony stalking. He was dismissed from the team immediately and sentenced to anger management counsiling and community service. He rejoined the team in 2012.

 

[Spurhunter]

CFB history is so clouded with so many agencies awarding National Championships, NC's being awarded BEFORE the bowl games, etc. Heck, the Fighting Updykes claim a NC in 1941 when they finished THIRD in the SEC and #20 in the nation. Just look at the NCAA list of all the shared NCs. It's a joke. Until 1998 there is just too much mud in the water.

 

[Spurhunter]

This thread has been hijacked a half dozen diffeerent ways!

 

[Spurhunter]

Back on topic!

Kahlil McKenzie has moved into #1 commit in the nation on Scout!! arty: arty: arty: arty:

 

[Vermin93]

Back on topic!

Kahlil McKenzie has moved into #1 commit in the nation on Scout and hopes to bring the Vols their third real national championship arty: arty: arty: arty:

 

[Vermin93]

Just look at the NCAA list of all the shared NCs.

I looked at the NCAA list and the Vols are on it a total of two times.

 

[Spurhunter]

Just look at the NCAA list of all the shared NCs.

I looked at the NCAA list and the Vols are on it a total of two times.

That has nothing to do with my point. My point is pre-1998 National Championships were a joke. Most years several teams claimed them and even more could have claimed them. And most could be disputed. Awarding the NC before the bowls? Come on.