Vehicles we should be allowed to buy. (not EVs)

swampbadger said:
Totally agree! These politics are hurting American consumers by not allowing us to have better options at dependable vehicles. They are essentially restricting our choices to the point where the vast majority get caught upside down in vehicle debt.
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IMO, the role of aerodynamics in fuel efficiency has led to very similar looking cars across most makes. Being that aerodynamics don't change, planned obsolescence is used now more than ever as a marketing tool.
Totally agree on them keeping the typical consumer upside down in vehicle debt. I quit participating in that 8 years ago and it's one of the best choices I ever made.
 
farmin68 said:
IMO, the role of aerodynamics in fuel efficiency has led to very similar looking cars across most makes. Being that aerodynamics don't change, planned obsolescence is used now more than ever as a marketing tool.
Totally agree on them keeping the typical consumer upside down in vehicle debt. I quit participating in that 8 years ago and it's one of the best choices I ever made.
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Agreed! All 3 of our vehicles have titles.

I bought a used limited edition 2004 sequoia 4wd w 200k on it for 4k back in 2020. It's got 265k on it now and has check engine lights on, O2 sensor issues, a slight exhaust leak, and I have to refill it once a week with power steering fluid. It's my hunt fish boat towing truck. It's had issues and I've replaced a lot of things on it myself. Brakes, power steering pump, drive belt, timing belt and water pump.

I had a wheel vibration and it sheered the studs off one day when I was going hunting last deer season. The sequoia was down for two weeks and I had to figure out how to haul deer with a corolla.
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Strapping them on the deck lid is a solid way to not get any blood inside the trunk and go live on everyones social accounts when you drive through memphis like this!

The other One I drive alot is a 2013 corolla. Was my wife's primary until another driver in another vehicle caused an accident. It's been a great car and got great mpg. Insurance totaled it out, I bought it back. I fixed it myself but I'm no mechanic. I went through all the insane and tortuous steps to get the title swapped from salvaged to rebuilt. I really feel like they set those hurdles so high so people are dissuaded to do what I did. It's still damaged looking, but runs like a top and has saved us a lot of money over the last year using it to run from work and home daily. I only have liability on the corolla and if it gets severely wrecked again we will have to deal with a total loss.

We took the money from the corolla wreck and added it with some money from savings and bought wife a new 2022 rav4 outright in cash. It's not turbo and it's not hybrid and I'm hoping it lasts.

We are making what we have work. We have a nice family car, and I have my bases covered with a hunting fishing boat hauling 4wd and also a gas saver.

Anyway, I'm rough on stuff. I've never resold a vehicle of mine. I've always crashed them at least once, some of them multiple times! I crawled outta the wreckage and just bought another one. I really hope there's going to be better options out there. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna need more vehicles before my time is up!

And Lord knows if my two kids are anything like me, they might go through vehicles too!
 
swampbadger said:
We puff our chests out as Americans because we have overall, on most terms, the best nation to live in. It truly is a blessing to be here, I'm not saying it isn't.

However our choices of dependable vehicles have left us. We had vehicles in the 1990s- mid 2000s that were really good and are still on the road today. As technologies have advanced the quality and durability of vehicles we have available here in the US have diminished greatly over the last 10-20 years.

The technology is there to build long lasting fuel efficient vehicles. It's being withheld by policies that work against us.

We are blatantly being steered towards buying EVs that 46 percent of current owners have remorse for buying.
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It's government regulations that have caused this mess like they have in so many other areas.

In terms of the land these United States are a blessing. In terms of Govcorp, the United States is a curse. Govcorp is a behemoth that is liberty's enemy. The overwhelming majority of those within its ranks are among the worst of the citizenry.

Jefferson said "the government that governs least governs best."

Franklin stated "Where liberty dwells, there is my country."

Govcorps meets neither of their requirements!
 
ROVERBOY said:
Car companies piss me off all the time. They don't build what you want, they build what they want you to buy. And they cost $55,000 and up. What they build has way too much crap on it, and you can't buy a stripped down truck anymore. I want a 4x4 with manual windows, door locks, manual transmission, floor shifter transfer case, manual hubs. That's like finding a good deal on a used low mileage UFO. Sorry World we live in.
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Too bad. I had almost (auto transmission) just that for sale last week. Had it here on TNDEER in the classifieds. Dodge Ram 1500. Sold it for $5,000
 
swampbadger said:
I didn't want to hijack the EV truck thread. I don't want an EV. I want better options to better vehicles that should be allowed to be imported here. There are tons of options in other countries that our EPA and government restrict us from getting access to.

EPA claims that these vehicles aren't fuel efficient. They are way more fuel efficient than comparable vehicles sold by our local manufacturers. Could it be if imports were affordable and available they would severely impact the american made companies? I say great! The competition would increase the performance and longevity nationwide. We might actually get back into high quality 4 wheel drive trucks that last if this was possible.

I'm not into EVs and if I really wanted a dream car here's a handful I'd love to have access to.
Feel free to add any trucks or comments or opinions!!!
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check out this brazilian beauty! burns diesel at a comparable rate as a tacomas burn gas. also has capability to have level 3 ballistic armor…
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What you are forgetting, is that you are criticizing American made cars as inefficient, and not offering the options that other countries offer, which is like comparing apples to oranges! You could import all the foreign vehicles that you apparently like, however, they are going to be subject to U.S. EPA rules and regulations that many of these other countries don't have. It's not just the manufacturer that is to blame, EPA requires them to install garbage that makes them junk, and so would your foreign vehicles that would be imported.
 
swampbadger said:
I know, man my 2004 sequoia gets 13 mpg, it's pitiful.

when you look at stats on the diesel hilux, you say wow! You've gotta admit the EPAs claims of saving us from fuel consumption are a crock of lies.

Are we purposely being steered towards accepting EVs?
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So why blame the US manufacturer, when you already know that it's Gov. EPA at the forefront of the problem?!
 
BPhunter said:
What you are forgetting, is that you are criticizing American made cars as inefficient, and not offering the options that other countries offer, which is like comparing apples to oranges! You could import all the foreign vehicles that you apparently like, however, they are going to be subject to U.S. EPA rules and regulations that many of these other countries don't have. It's not just the manufacturer that is to blame, EPA requires them to install garbage that makes them junk, and so would your foreign vehicles that would be imported.
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Fair points. I don't disagree.

So your main point is that the EPA is the root of all this and the manufacturers have been handcuffed by the regulations?

I like toyotas, and have always seen them as a better built more reliable vehicles. They aren't what they were with these new turbo smaller liter engines.
 
swampbadger said:
Fair points. I don't disagree.

So your main point is that the EPA is the root of all this and the manufacturers have been handcuffed by the regulations?

I like toyotas, and have always seen them as a better built more reliable vehicles. They aren't what they were with these new turbo smaller liter engines.
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Well, you just explained everything. You're a Toyota lover. Now the Chevy lovers say they are the best. The Ford lover's say they are the best. The Ram lover's say they are the best. The Nissan lover's say they are the best. The Chrysler Lovers say they are the best. ETC. So in fact what you just state is that is only your opinion, just like the other lovers. And in fact the newer vehicles Foreign & Domestic are still just "JUNK"! 👍 🇺🇸
 
swampbadger said:
Fair points. I don't disagree.

So your main point is that the EPA is the root of all this and the manufacturers have been handcuffed by the regulations?

I like toyotas, and have always seen them as a better built more reliable vehicles. They aren't what they were with these new turbo smaller liter engines.
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Truthfully, the EPA isn't the root of all evil, but, it is a major part of the problem. Like all vehicle manufacturers, both Foreign & Domestic, profits, not quality or reliability, come first. That's why you have such terrible and short warranties today. That's why you have the "Lemon Laws".
 
farmin68 said:
IMO, the role of aerodynamics in fuel efficiency has led to very similar looking cars across most makes. Being that aerodynamics don't change, planned obsolescence is used now more than ever as a marketing tool.
Totally agree on them keeping the typical consumer upside down in vehicle debt. I quit participating in that 8 years ago and it's one of the best choices I ever made.
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I agree. It is pretty awful when they give you a 3 year warranty and a 6-8 year loan option. Seems with such short warranties, none of them have any confidence in their product.
 
BPhunter said:
Well, you just explained everything. You're a Toyota lover. Now the Chevy lovers say they are the best. The Ford lover's say they are the best. The Ram lover's say they are the best. The Nissan lover's say they are the best. The Chrysler Lovers say they are the best. ETC. So in fact what you just state is that is only your opinion, just like the other lovers. And in fact the newer vehicles Foreign & Domestic are still just "JUNK"! 👍 🇺🇸
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Yesss!! 100 percent agree! None of the manufacturers care about making a long lasting vehicle anymore. It's all profit and keeping American buyers in needless vehicle debt.
 
Is there anything we can do as citizens to directly fix this?

I get it EPA does some good things but ruin many others. Isn't the head of the EPA just an appointed Government official who isn't voted in?
 
All of those manufacturers had solid runs of great vehicles with great motors and transmissions that would last for 20-30 years.

All the manufacturers are now in lock step with selling garbage vehicles, even these new toyotas!!!
 
swampbadger said:
Is there anything we can do as citizens to directly fix this?

I get it EPA does some good things but ruin many others. Isn't the head of the EPA just an appointed Government official who isn't voted in?
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Looks like President Trump is on the right track to lasso the EPA and bring back some common sense to that department. He has at least 60 years of Demorats screwing the nation to repair. God help him!
 
swampbadger said:
Is there anything we can do as citizens to directly fix this?

I get it EPA does some good things but ruin many others. Isn't the head of the EPA just an appointed Government official who isn't voted in?
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We did it. We voted Trump in and he appointed Lee Zeldin as head of the EPA.
 

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