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Was illegal? Received a bag package today from a shooters warehouse with 6 boxes (120rds) which half of the boxes was busted open and 3 magazines.

I was surprised to see it shipped by the post office
 

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well like someone told me before what they don't know wont hurt them. I shipped about 700 .223's a year ago by USPS and didn't have a problem because i didn't tell them nothing.
 

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well heck i didn't know that. but i just boxed the up and put them in really good packing then took them to the post office. and they never asked me anything about whats in it so i shipped them to a feller on here.

But now i know to ship them threw ups or fedex next time
 

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dh1984 said:
well heck i didn't know that. but i just boxed the up and put them in really good packing then took them to the post office. and they never asked me anything about whats in it so i shipped them to a feller on here.

But now i know to ship them threw ups or fedex next time

Technically Even if you ship them through ups or FedEx you have to ship them per the regulations. And you must be certified to ship hazmat.
 

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trealtree said:
dh1984 said:
well heck i didn't know that. but i just boxed the up and put them in really good packing then took them to the post office. and they never asked me anything about whats in it so i shipped them to a feller on here.

But now i know to ship them threw ups or fedex next time

Technically Even if you ship them through ups or FedEx you have to ship them per the regulations. And you must be certified to ship hazmat.

Confusing last statement there...The carrier (UPS/FEDEX, or other carrier) must be certified to ship hazmat.
 

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trealtree said:
Ammo is hazardous material and must be shipped per the DOT 49 CFR hazmat regulations. Fines can be in the 10's of thousands.

He's right. It's federal law and the USPS is protected by fedweral law.

Those of you who have shipped that way are very, very lucky. All it would take is for a package to get split open while shiped and they would have had to report it. Some companies don't ever know the regulations.
 

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44fanatic said:
trealtree said:
dh1984 said:
well heck i didn't know that. but i just boxed the up and put them in really good packing then took them to the post office. and they never asked me anything about whats in it so i shipped them to a feller on here.

But now i know to ship them threw ups or fedex next time

Technically Even if you ship them through ups or FedEx you have to ship them per the regulations. And you must be certified to ship hazmat.

Confusing last statement there...The carrier (UPS/FEDEX, or other carrier) must be certified to ship hazmat.

Anyone who packages or handles hazardous material and offers it to anyone including FedEx and ups must be certified to ship hazmat.

Believe me this is part of my job. I do this every single day.
 

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trealtree said:
44fanatic said:
trealtree said:
dh1984 said:
well heck i didn't know that. but i just boxed the up and put them in really good packing then took them to the post office. and they never asked me anything about whats in it so i shipped them to a feller on here.

But now i know to ship them threw ups or fedex next time

Technically Even if you ship them through ups or FedEx you have to ship them per the regulations. And you must be certified to ship hazmat.

Confusing last statement there...The carrier (UPS/FEDEX, or other carrier) must be certified to ship hazmat.

Anyone who packages or handles hazardous material and offers it to anyone including FedEx and ups must be certified to ship hazmat.

Believe me this is part of my job. I do this every single day.

He's right too. At the gun shop I go to there is only one guy there that can do the shipping.

There are a ton of small stores and companies that do not follow this rule, they will get caught the minute some package pops open while in shipping.
 

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There is an exception for small quantities of cartridges. They can be shipped as a limited quantity without declaring them as hazmat, but you still have to follow the ORM-D packaging and labeling guidelines and be certified to ship hazmat.
 

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trealtree said:
There is an exception for small quantities of cartridges. They can be shipped as a limited quantity without declaring them as hazmat, but you still have to follow the ORM-D packaging and labeling guidelines and be certified to ship hazmat.
this
 

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I shipped some ( UPS )and they told me it just had to be marked ORM-D with a box around that, and then "cartridges, small arms" above the box. No special requirements by me other than proper labeling. I have also bought some ammo that was shipped UPS that was from an individual that came to me marked the same way, and they had no qualifications, a member here.
 

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in the dog house! said:
I shipped some ( UPS )and they told me it just had to be marked ORM-D with a box around that, and then "cartridges, small arms" above the box. No special requirements by me other than proper labeling. I have also bought some ammo that was shipped UPS that was from an individual that came to me marked the same way, and they had no qualifications, a member here.
very true.samething i have to do
 

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in the dog house! said:
I shipped some ( UPS )and they told me it just had to be marked ORM-D with a box around that, and then "cartridges, small arms" above the box. No special requirements by me other than proper labeling. I have also bought some ammo that was shipped UPS that was from an individual that came to me marked the same way, and they had no qualifications, a member here.

If you sell the ammo and ship it you are a hazmat employer and you are the employee.

http://dgrtraining.com/articles/CONSUME ... TYBRI.html
 

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trealtree said:
in the dog house! said:
I shipped some ( UPS )and they told me it just had to be marked ORM-D with a box around that, and then "cartridges, small arms" above the box. No special requirements by me other than proper labeling. I have also bought some ammo that was shipped UPS that was from an individual that came to me marked the same way, and they had no qualifications, a member here.

If you sell the ammo and ship it you are a hazmat employer and you are the employee.

http://dgrtraining.com/articles/CONSUME ... TYBRI.html

From the FAQ:
What are the exceptions in the regulations for ORM-D materials?

Placarding of trucks is not required.
A signed shippers certification is not required for GROUND shipments
UN approved packaging is not required.
 

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in the dog house! said:
trealtree said:
in the dog house! said:
I shipped some ( UPS )and they told me it just had to be marked ORM-D with a box around that, and then "cartridges, small arms" above the box. No special requirements by me other than proper labeling. I have also bought some ammo that was shipped UPS that was from an individual that came to me marked the same way, and they had no qualifications, a member here.

If you sell the ammo and ship it you are a hazmat employer and you are the employee.

http://dgrtraining.com/articles/CONSUME ... TYBRI.html

From the FAQ:
What are the exceptions in the regulations for ORM-D materials?

Placarding of trucks is not required.
A signed shippers certification is not required for GROUND shipments
UN approved packaging is not required.

Whats your point? I already stated that above. Still does not exempt you from packaging, training and labeling requirements for ORM-D.

If you want to take a chance go right ahead. Most likely you won't get caught.

I have been certifiying hazmat shippers as one part of my job for the past 8 years and we were just inspected by the FAA hazmat security yesterday, and the DOT enforecement about 6 months ago. First thing they asked for was "where is your traing certificate". The D.O T guy actually tore down one of my Exempted special permit shipments that doesnt require a shippers cert or placards, just to make sure they were packaged properly inside the box.

As an individual you could actually train yourself and be legal. But you would have to follow the 49CFR guidelines of what is required in your training.
 

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I guess my point is that people can ship ammo without special training. Everything I have been told by the people at UPS, and what I read on the link you posted said anyone can ship with proper labeling, as long as it is ground shipping. What you posted seems to be misleading to people that say, want to ship some ammo to a member, friend, or anyone for that matter. People want to follow the law on here, and it seems you are telling people the are breaking the law. I guess UPS needs to have a talk with there customer service, that they are telling people wrong about what to do when shipping ammo.
 

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