Sunday Hunting

[BSK]

For the life of me, I can't understand why no one has challenged the constitutionality of Blue Laws. They are clearly unconstitutional. It's nothing more than forcing one religion's rules onto everybody.

 

[GreeneGriz]

Always love to see this response because it's exactly what I use to defend with. So I'll disagree by saying I've been on both sides of the fence and only one side is right and me and you both know it. I'll also say this though, the lord don't want you in church if you don't want to be there. It's a Christians maturity level and where they stand with God. I'm going to post something a member posted a while back that put me in a different state of mind. A spiritual mind. I don't know who the tndeer member was but if you see this I thank you sir. I needed this so I took pictures of it, to remind myself who I need to be. Also I want to say thank you Lord for not making excuses on crucifixion day.

Amen. Been there as well.

 

[GreeneGriz]

For the life of me, I can't understand why no one has challenged the constitutionality of Blue Laws. They are clearly unconstitutional. It's nothing more than forcing one religion's rules onto everybody.

The next thing you know, Christian owned businesses that close on Sundays or won't bake cakes for certain occasions will be called unconstitutional and sued for denying services….. oh wait, they already have been.
And BTW… Blue laws have been challenged and upheld by the Supreme Court in 1961 where the SCOTUS stated that modern blue laws were not religious in nature, and served a secular purpose to be used as a day to allow labor and workers to rest and prepare for the upcoming week.
If you don't like the laws, work to change them. But don't blame them on Christians because observing a day of rest isn't really a New Testament Christian tenant…. It's a Jewish law that Jesus fulfilled on the cross.

 

[deerfever]

I am a conservative Christian but telling a man what days he can hunt is just not right. That should be a personal decision between you and the Lord. Let me ask you , is it ok to hunt on Sunday as long as you come out of the stand to get to Church? What about if you hunt Sunday morning and go Sunday night or vice versa? I know when I go on Sunday night about half or more of the Sunday morning crowd is not in attendance. Usually those are the self righteous group that go on snapbook and criticize anyone not in attendance on Sunday morning. What if you go on Wednesday night ? Again who are we to judge a man? The statement that God doesn't want you at Church if you are thinking about hunting? So , I guess you are better off to be in the woods in a stand reading your Bible than sitting in a pew thinking about being in a stand? I know this because over the past year some of my closet moments with God have been right up here in my field , not while hunting but just getting alone and speaking with my savior, do not try to tell me that because I wasn't on a pew that it wasn't real. I was somehow under the impression that my relationship with God was not confined to a building but could take place anywhere , anytime and any place. Am I advocating not going to Church? Not at all. What I am advocating is do not tell me when I can or can't hunt based on religion or what you believe is the best thing to do. I see some Churches ( religions) that go on Saturday. Do we need to shut down Saturday also? Remember freedom of religion not force of religion. The example with the businesses closing on Sunday again makes the point of the argument, the owner made that decision and it's their right to do that, but on the same note each man should be able to make his own decisions about hunting or not on Sunday. You see businesses are owned by individuals not a Government agency making decisions for everyone that buys a hunting license. You just made the argument for personal choice! Good job! Again should be the workers choice if he wants to rest or not for the week and what day he does it! Again I am saved , know I am saved , attend Church but simply do not agree with what some states have done. Your not going to pull people in on the pews by trying to force the issue but rather turn them away! Just my opinion and thoughts , they may be way wrong as I am human, I have walked off many gobbling birds to get to Sunday school but was I wrong for even going in the first place? It's simple to me let people make their own decisions and try to help them along the way as an example!

 

[c0untryb0y]

I didn't know this until recently, but i just looked up hunting regs in NC and they don't allow public land hunting on Sundays. anyone know why? I was looking into it because I was hoping to hunt with a buddy of mine up there. sounds strange to me

it's a religious thing

 

[BSK]

The next thing you know, Christian owned businesses that close on Sundays or won't bake cakes for certain occasions will be called unconstitutional and sued for denying services….. oh wait, they already have been.
And BTW… Blue laws have been challenged and upheld by the Supreme Court in 1961 where the SCOTUS stated that modern blue laws were not religious in nature, and served a secular purpose to be used as a day to allow labor and workers to rest and prepare for the upcoming week.
If you don't like the laws, work to change them. But don't blame them on Christians because observing a day of rest isn't really a New Testament Christian tenant…. It's a Jewish law that Jesus fulfilled on the cross.

By your own definition, Blue Laws are religious (Jewish Law). I'm not blaming Christians. I'm blaming unconstitutional Laws, and Blue Laws are CLEARLY religious in nature and unconstitutional.

 

[GreeneGriz]

I am a conservative Christian but telling a man what days he can hunt is just not right. That should be a personal decision between you and the Lord. Let me ask you , is it ok to hunt on Sunday as long as you come out of the stand to get to Church? What about if you hunt Sunday morning and go Sunday night or vice versa? I know when I go on Sunday night about half or more of the Sunday morning crowd is not in attendance. Usually those are the self righteous group that go on snapbook and criticize anyone not in attendance on Sunday morning. What if you go on Wednesday night ? Again who are we to judge a man? The statement that God doesn't want you at Church if you are thinking about hunting? So , I guess you are better off to be in the woods in a stand reading your Bible than sitting in a pew thinking about being in a stand? I know this because over the past year some of my closet moments with God have been right up here in my field , not while hunting but just getting alone and speaking with my savior, do not try to tell me that because I wasn't on a pew that it wasn't real. I was somehow under the impression that my relationship with God was not confined to a building but could take place anywhere , anytime and any place. Am I advocating not going to Church? Not at all. What I am advocating is do not tell me when I can or can't hunt based on religion or what you believe is the best thing to do. I see some Churches ( religions) that go on Saturday. Do we need to shut down Saturday also? Remember freedom of religion not force of religion. The example with the businesses closing on Sunday again makes the point of the argument, the owner made that decision and it's their right to do that, but on the same note each man should be able to make his own decisions about hunting or not on Sunday. You see businesses are owned by individuals not a Government agency making decisions for everyone that buys a hunting license. You just made the argument for personal choice! Good job! Again should be the workers choice if he wants to rest or not for the week and what day he does it! Again I am saved , know I am saved , attend Church but simply do not agree with what some states have done. Your not going to pull people in on the pews by trying to force the issue but rather turn them away! Just my opinion and thoughts , they may be way wrong as I am human, I have walked off many gobbling birds to get to Sunday school but was I wrong for even going in the first place? It's simple to me let people make their own decisions and try to help them along the way as an example!

The current blue laws aren't based on religion. They are purely secular and were supported by labor unions when challenged by people in the courts.

By your own definition, Blue Laws are religious (Jewish Law). I'm not blaming Christians. I'm blaming unconstitutional Laws, and Blue Laws are CLEARLY religious in nature and unconstitutional.

Where did I define blue laws? The only definition I give was the SCOTUS ruling stating they were secular and not religious. I did say if someone was abstaining from hunting on Sunday, they must be Jewish. Lol You seem to just want to trash Christians.

 

[Walker817]

If that's the way you feel about it buddy, then by all means, do it. Like I said before if your sitting on a pew and can't think of anything but sittin in a tree stand, the lord don't want you their anyway. I know that sounds blunt, but it's a fact. Please don't take my text as arguing like I said before I hunt Sunday's on occasion also. I just am not sure that I disagree with a law that you do.

So, your saying that you can't be sitting in a tree thinking about the Lord. I'm sure I'm not the only one that dies that all the time. Does not matter where you are as long as you worship him.

 

[deerfever]

The current blue laws aren't based on religion. They are purely secular and were supported by labor unions when challenged by people in the courts.

Where did I define blue laws? The only definition I give was the SCOTUS ruling stating they were secular and not religious. I did say if someone was abstaining from hunting on Sunday, they must be Jewish. Lol You seem to just want to trash Christians.

Never said blue laws were based on religion, never mentioned them at all but it seems the conversation turned toward religion so I gave my opinion. Simply pointed out that you and I are on the same page of business owners and individuals should have the right to choose what they do on a Sunday. Close down, hunt or whatever. However go look up blue laws since you brought it up and it says they are used for religious purposes also. So what is banning hunting on a Sunday for?

 

[GreeneGriz]

Never said blue laws were based on religion, never mentioned them at all but it seems the conversation turned toward religion so I gave my opinion. Simply pointed out that you and I are on the same page of business owners and individuals should have the right to choose what they do on a Sunday. Close down, hunt or whatever. However go look up blue laws since you brought it up and it says they are used for religious purposes also. So what is banning hunting on a Sunday for?

The SCOTUS ruled in 1961 that blue laws were purely secular and were supported by Unions as a day to rest and not work,
I don't agree with them either…. But the modern day blue law rules weren't ushered in and voted on by Church folks…. They were pushed forward by left leaning socialists , labor movement leaders and their Union cohorts.

 

[BubbaGoneWild]

HWHAAAT

 

[gary66]

I didn't know this until recently, but i just looked up hunting regs in NC and they don't allow public land hunting on Sundays. anyone know why? I was looking into it because I was hoping to hunt with a buddy of mine up there. sounds strange to me

good to read the regs...no idea why these days. Not like God has any standing in government these days.

 

[Safari Hunt]

Being a Baby Boomer, born and raised in Ohio, I can answer the question of Sunday hunting. Beforeq and after WWII, there were Blue Laws which reflected the conservative atmosphere of the times. Businesses closed at 6 PM on Saturday and businesses were closed Sunday. Gas stations rotated being open on Sunday for those who traveled on that day. As time went on and attitudes changed, Blue Laws were eliminated. Sunday hunting falls, in some way, the same pattern. I hunted a private farm many years ago. I found a note on my car. The owner's son said that they didn't allow Sunday hunting. I happened to meet him on my way to the car. I thanked him as I neglected to ask his father about hunting on Sunday. I respect their decision. Same idea with liquor sales here in Bradley County. As we got more people from outside the Bible Belt, there was a gradual movement from two beer retailers to malt based beverages to liquor by the drink to retail sales of all alcoholic beverages in grocery stores. Retail liquor stores, selling only hard stuff, popped up like mushrooms after a rain. They know there is a good profit margin in liquor sales. Tobacco shops advertise "Coldest Beer In Town." All of them????
Edit- Many places didn't work past midnight Saturday. Sunday was a day to relax. I was a pastor in central KY and one of the biggest dairy areas in the state. Many of my church members voluntarily took off Sunday. Dairy farmers were the biggest exception. BTW, know of any car dealers open on Sunday? None around here.
Good hunting! I'm going Tuesday.

 

[Volbuck777]

So, your saying that you can't be sitting in a tree thinking about the Lord. I'm sure I'm not the only one that dies that all the time. Does not matter where you are as long as you worship him.

Where did you see that, have you read anything on this thread.

 

[Volbuck777]

I am a conservative Christian but telling a man what days he can hunt is just not right. That should be a personal decision between you and the Lord. Let me ask you , is it ok to hunt on Sunday as long as you come out of the stand to get to Church? What about if you hunt Sunday morning and go Sunday night or vice versa? I know when I go on Sunday night about half or more of the Sunday morning crowd is not in attendance. Usually those are the self righteous group that go on snapbook and criticize anyone not in attendance on Sunday morning. What if you go on Wednesday night ? Again who are we to judge a man? The statement that God doesn't want you at Church if you are thinking about hunting? So , I guess you are better off to be in the woods in a stand reading your Bible than sitting in a pew thinking about being in a stand? I know this because over the past year some of my closet moments with God have been right up here in my field , not while hunting but just getting alone and speaking with my savior, do not try to tell me that because I wasn't on a pew that it wasn't real. I was somehow under the impression that my relationship with God was not confined to a building but could take place anywhere , anytime and any place. Am I advocating not going to Church? Not at all. What I am advocating is do not tell me when I can or can't hunt based on religion or what you believe is the best thing to do. I see some Churches ( religions) that go on Saturday. Do we need to shut down Saturday also? Remember freedom of religion not force of religion. The example with the businesses closing on Sunday again makes the point of the argument, the owner made that decision and it's their right to do that, but on the same note each man should be able to make his own decisions about hunting or not on Sunday. You see businesses are owned by individuals not a Government agency making decisions for everyone that buys a hunting license. You just made the argument for personal choice! Good job! Again should be the workers choice if he wants to rest or not for the week and what day he does it! Again I am saved , know I am saved , attend Church but simply do not agree with what some states have done. Your not going to pull people in on the pews by trying to force the issue but rather turn them away! Just my opinion and thoughts , they may be way wrong as I am human, I have walked off many gobbling birds to get to Sunday school but was I wrong for even going in the first place? It's simple to me let people make their own decisions and try to help them along the way as an example!

Once again I see that this was taking way out of context, sounds like your arguing with something but I know it's not me. You say something about judging then call church family self righteous. You also say conservative Christian, can we all not just be followers of Christ and not have groups. Is that not where and how religion become so bias in the first place. Did I ever say that your time with the lord wasn't real? Did you see me judge anyone? I'll say again, if so post up where I did. You disagree with a law and some, me in particular don't see it being bad, and you come on here firing off text, talking about judging. Sir if you don't want to go to church don't. It's nothing to me. If your truly saved wonderful, if you feel god in the field that's great also. Last I'll say is before you fire off maybe you should read each post completely and understand them. God gave us a building to gather in with other like minded people for praise and worship to him. Theirs reason behind it and we should take full advantage of it. If you don't want to, don't.

 

[deerfever]

Once again I see that this was taking way out of context, sounds like your arguing with something but I know it's not me. You say something about judging then call church family self righteous. You also say conservative Christian, can we all not just be followers of Christ and not have groups. Is that not where and how religion become so bias in the first place. Did I ever say that your time with the lord wasn't real? Did you see me judge anyone? I'll say again, if so post up where I did. You disagree with a law and some, me in particular don't see it being bad, and you come on here firing off text, talking about judging. Sir if you don't want to go to church don't. It's nothing to me. If your truly saved wonderful, if you feel god in the field that's great also. Last I'll say is before you fire off maybe you should read each post completely and understand them. God gave us a building to gather in with other like minded people for praise and worship to him. Theirs reason behind it and we should take full advantage of it. If you don't want to, don't.

I guess both of us need to read better before "firing" off as you say. By the way sorry I didn't get back with you sooner as I just walked in from Church!! I never said that I did not go to Church but did say that I had walked off gobbling birds to get to Sunday school. I have also come out of the stand to get to Church, So am I wrong for doing that hunting before Church? . I will apologize for saying some people are self righteous as you are correct I shouldn't do that and more than man enough to admit when I am wrong. I will not apologize for calling my self a conservative , old school or however you want to say it Christian. That is why we have different Churches to choose from.Yes we may all say we are followers of Christ but there are definitely different ways it is done. I am not saying only I am right but just saying that is what I am and proud of it. The ultimate thing here again is whether an agency should tell someone wether or not they should hunt on Sunday . I simply say no and ask some questions about going Sunday morning, night , Wednesday? I do remember you saying if you are in the pew with your mind on being in the stand that God doesn't want you their? Again so are you making a point that it is better for a man to be in a stand reading a Bible or speaking to God than being at Church? Yes , I am saved and yes I did feel good in my field again it wasn't even hunting season! Oh by the way go back and look and see where I quoted or put above any post anything you have said? Looks like you care way too much about my opinion. I try my best to stay away from anything here about Religion or politics and knew better than to post. I will carry on and do it my way, you can do your way and we will just leave it at that. I have a absolutely nothing against your opinion about being in Church! Again I just got back! Ultimately I know the relationship I have with my savior is not confined to a building but yes I enjoy going and assembling with like minded people.

 

[Volbuck777]

I guess both of us need to read better before "firing" off as you say. By the way sorry I didn't get back with you sooner as I just walked in from Church!! I never said that I did not go to Church but did say that I had walked off gobbling birds to get to Sunday school. I have also come out of the stand to get to Church, So am I wrong for doing that hunting before Church? . I will apologize for saying some people are self righteous as you are correct I shouldn't do that and more than man enough to admit when I am wrong. I will not apologize for calling my self a conservative , old school or however you want to say it Christian. That is why we have different Churches to choose from.Yes we may all say we are followers of Christ but there are definitely different ways it is done. I am not saying only I am right but just saying that is what I am and proud of it. The ultimate thing here again is whether an agency should tell someone wether or not they should hunt on Sunday . I simply say no and ask some questions about going Sunday morning, night , Wednesday? I do remember you saying if you are in the pew with your mind on being in the stand that God doesn't want you their? Again so are you making a point that it is better for a man to be in a stand reading a Bible or speaking to God than being at Church? Yes , I am saved and yes I did feel good in my field again it wasn't even hunting season! Oh by the way go back and look and see where I quoted or put above any post anything you have said? Looks like you care way too much about my opinion. I try my best to stay away from anything here about Religion or politics and knew better than to post. I will carry on and do it my way, you can do your way and we will just leave it at that. I have a absolutely nothing against your opinion about being in Church! Again I just got back! Ultimately I know the relationship I have with my savior is not confined to a building but yes I enjoy going and assembling with like minded people.

Well amen bud, and to answer your question I do believe it is best to do what makes you feel the closest to Christ. But, I'll say that if your closest walk with him is outside of a building meant to worship him in, I would pray that, that person would seek to find a church where they feel filled with the spirit. I think we shouldn't be so selfish as Christians to do what we want all the time but to do what God wants us to do. My point to that is when we assemble it may not always be for us but, maybe one that is lost, that may look up to you. I'm not sure that we should be so nonchalant about whether we go or not. Also, I do care about your opinion, it's good to know where other Christians stand. It's works friend and if I had trouble with these or any other works I may think about my first works over again. Not to imply that's you sir just ones that can't come to understand what's right and wrong. I can tell your aggravated with this discussion because of all your exclamation marks toward me, seems like if we were standing in front of one another you'd be yelling. I hope that's not the case. Anyway I fell like we'll meet eventually and this won't be talked about at all, just praising our savior. God bless you brother and I hope you have a wonderful Sunday.

 

[deerfever]

Well amen bud, and to answer your question I do believe it is best to do what makes you feel the closest to Christ. But, I'll say that if your closest walk with him is outside of a building meant to worship him in, I would pray that, that person would seek to find a church where they feel filled with the spirit. I think we shouldn't be so selfish as Christians to do what we want all the time but to do what God wants us to do. My point to that is when we assemble it may not always be for us but, maybe one that is lost, that may look up to you. I'm not sure that we should be so nonchalant about whether we go or not. Also, I do care about your opinion, it's good to know where other Christians stand. It's works friend and if I had trouble with these or any other works I may think about my first works over again. Not to imply that's you sir just ones that can't come to understand what's right and wrong. I can tell your aggravated with this discussion because of all your exclamation marks toward me, seems like if we were standing in front of one another you'd be yelling. I hope that's not the case. Anyway I fell like we'll meet eventually and this won't be talked about at all, just praising our savior. God bless you brother and I hope you have a wonderful Sunday.

No , I would not be yelling at all. I have a bad habit of putting exclamation marks when I . making a point. I think In text lingo all caps means your yelling! Lol. I am too old to know. Like I said I respect your opinion and I am glad you got to Church and set that example for those two in your arms ( great looking family) ! Again I go also, I have not hunted the first time this weekend. Again I just don't agree with States that make the decision for guys that work 6 days a week or whatever. Maybe they could at least hunt a morning or evening if they chose to. No hard feelings at all and I wish you the best this season!

 

[Volbuck777]

No , I would not be yelling at all. I have a bad habit of putting exclamation marks when I . making a point. I think In text lingo all caps means your yelling! Lol. I am too old to know. Like I said I respect your opinion and I am glad you got to Church and set that example for those two in your arms ( great looking family) ! Again I go also, I have not hunted the first time this weekend. Again I just don't agree with States that make the decision for guys that work 6 days a week or whatever. Maybe they could at least hunt a morning or evening if they chose to. No hard feelings at all and I wish you the best this season!

I sure appreciate that sir, and I hope the best for you also. I hope everyone that sees this thread can see that even though there's disagreements, we can do it cordially. Also I hope through our conversation they see that no matter how you praise the lord whether in a building with others or afield by yourself the most important thing is Jesus Christ.

 

[rukiddin]

I will also say that hunting culture in NC and TN is night and day differently. I rarely met many hunters. Those I did meet either traveled out west US or to eastern NC for hunting.

Fast forward and move to west TN and every kid seemed to live in Camo sweatshirts.

TN is very diverse as well. Every area of the state is really different with outdoor interests.

It's all perspective I guess. I was born and raised in NC and moved to TN with my wife 16 years ago. I thought the same thing about TN. Nobody seemed to hunt as much here as they did where I come from in NC. Between my family land, and all my buddy's being farmers, my hardest decision was where i wanted to hunt. To this day, when we go back for the holidays or to visit, I don't have enough time to hunt and see all the places I'd like to hunt. We grew up running deer hounds and speaking of culture, it's crazy to see everything from jacked up trucks to low riders with dog boxes and meeting up there's black guys just as hard core as we were and they welcomed us to run dogs with them no differently than we welcomed them.

As for Sunday hunting, when I moved to TN, it just felt weird to hunt in a Sunday. I'm not against it, I hunt on Sunday, but when you spend 25 years hunting and Sunday being off limits, it takes some getting used to. We didn't miss it because we never hunted on sundays. Actually, when they started talking about opening Sunday hunting up on private land, we were like, "well $h!t, how are gonna get a break from hunting". Haha. We hunted 4-5 days a week so we welcomed sundays to recoup.