Police depts can't get ammo.

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Well they might have to slow down the target practice & learn some new people skills,I'm not sure at what point is enuf practice for everybody but at some point your either there or will never be & shooting every day may not help,its bad having the bad guy have 2 more bullets than the officer lol.This mess will fade but like the building supplys when the $ gets so far up there it will never drop back down to where it was or should be jmo
 

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mike243 said:
Well they might have to slow down the target practice & learn some new people skills,I'm not sure at what point is enuf practice for everybody but at some point your either there or will never be & shooting every day may not help,its bad having the bad guy have 2 more bullets than the officer lol.This mess will fade but like the building supplys when the $ gets so far up there it will never drop back down to where it was or should be jmo

But the main thing I see, its not major retailers raising the price of guns and ammo. And its not suppliers. Just individuals and small gun shops taking advantage of the panic buyers' deep pockets and willingness to pay so they can be prepared.
 

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Mike243, wouldn't you want your police departments to be as good as possible with their guns, our department is also having trouble getting ammo
 

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Sure & I said so,how many rounds are needed for a avg officer to stay up on his game?,I know that some ammo gets side tracked because officers wont spend or dont have the time to shoot it or in some cases dont want to clean their weapon,when dept give ammo to the officers & tell them they need to fire it to stay proficent who montiors them ?
 

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Government is buying more ammo than ever, at least based on some reports I've seen.. Add that to the panic buying and the result is - people running out of ammo intermittently
 

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Majority of Leo firearms training is not static line blow ammo shooting, most is shooting on the move , tactical reloads, emergency reloads etc during their training, transition from Long guns to pistols. Transition from long gun to pistol entering doorways etc. it's definitely no bullets wasted on firing range. Dummy rounds mixed in your magazine so officers know how to fix malfunctions , tap+rack=bang, and using communication for cover by other officers while they fix the malfunction. It's very important they receive the ammo and stay practiced up. Average rounds used is probably 300 per officer at the most a year for training , and usually get training once a year. Also have to think pd's and so's have armory's and its vital to keep them stocked for if crap hits the fan. A lot of pd's and all with the budgetary issues over the last 4 or 5 uears have been keeping small amounts ammo to cut down their yearly spending, well instead of ordering the ammo when time rolls around and stocking armory's, their making big orders in prep of all this ammo craze
 

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easy45 said:
Mike243, wouldn't you want your police departments to be as good as possible with their guns, our department is also having trouble getting ammo

If u and your dept needs that much practice to stay up on your game then u need to just find another line of work. The cops that never think about pulling their guns are the real cops. The ones that shoot bout once in 5yrs. The trigger happy ones either end up on CNN or the unemployment line.
 

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I would rather have a LEO practice shooting as much as they want. They put their lives on the line and when the time comes, shooting should be second place to them.

The thinking that just because you practice shooting makes you more apt to shoot is just as stupid, to me, as the thinking that because you are carrying a gun makes you more likely to commit a crime.

Maybe if more LEO's shot more often you wouldnt have shootings where dozens of rounds get fired and the suspect wasn't hit at all.

Like most people realize at this point, the ammo shortage is from all of our friends buying up the ammo and hoarding it and/or selling it in our classifieds section as 'just cleaning out some unused ammo that I dont need.'

Talk to some of the local shop owners, they will tell you. There a few guys going around trying to sell ammo they bought at Walmart or somewhere and trying to sell it for double the cost with the line 'You can't find this anywhere'.
 

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Budd Schroeder, chairman of the board for the group SCOPE (Shooters Committee on Political Education).


He says rumors of a buying spree involving government agenies, such as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in 2012 may have had something to do with it.

"They bought over a billion rounds of ammunition ... the goverment agencies ... that kind of tightened it up a little bit," Schroeder says.
 

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Schroeder also says the potential for background checks to buy bullets is also causing a run on the product.

The background checks are known as NICS -- National Instant Criminal Background Check System -- something used for those looking to buy guns.
 

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Poleaxe said:
If u and your dept needs that much practice to stay up on your game then u need to just find another line of work. The cops that never think about pulling their guns are the real cops. The ones that shoot bout once in 5yrs. The trigger happy ones either end up on CNN or the unemployment line.

This could be the stupidest thing I've ever read on here!
 

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fredfred said:
Poleaxe said:
If u and your dept needs that much practice to stay up on your game then u need to just find another line of work. The cops that never think about pulling their guns are the real cops. The ones that shoot bout once in 5yrs. The trigger happy ones either end up on CNN or the unemployment line.

This could be the stupidest thing I've ever read on here!
I agree , Leo's usually train/ qualify in shoot don't shoot scenarios now days constantly . If it wasn't for their constant training in these scenarios there would probably be more shootings. There are a ton of scenarios where Leo's are lawfully allowed to shoot but most go to less lethal action or talk the subject down prepared for the worst at all times during the encounter. There are bad cops just like there are bad doctors/nurses, firemen, and anyone else for that matter , it just gets a lot more attention when a cop gets in trouble for what they are supposed to represent. A lot of people could never do the job that Leo's do but for some reason the arm chair quarterbacks always come out, with their bright opinions.
 

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Poleaxe said:
easy45 said:
Mike243, wouldn't you want your police departments to be as good as possible with their guns, our department is also having trouble getting ammo

If u and your dept needs that much practice to stay up on your game then u need to just find another line of work. The cops that never think about pulling their guns are the real cops. The ones that shoot bout once in 5yrs. The trigger happy ones either end up on CNN or the unemployment line.


How would you know what is needed or not needed in the leo community? Who are you to say that the ones who like to be properly trained are more likely to be trigger happy and do something wrong? Training with a firearm is not just shooting at a dang target. There are many other exercises that you have to go through again and again so that you become proficient at it and so that you react instinctively in the right ways when/ if the time ever calls for it. I say this speaking from expertise, not some half-thought out opinion.
 

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fredfred said:
Poleaxe said:
If u and your dept needs that much practice to stay up on your game then u need to just find another line of work. The cops that never think about pulling their guns are the real cops. The ones that shoot bout once in 5yrs. The trigger happy ones either end up on CNN or the unemployment line.

This could be the stupidest thing I've ever read on here!

Lots of stiff competition over the years, but I agree this one is definitely in the running.
 

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DirtyBear0311 said:
Poleaxe said:
easy45 said:
Mike243, wouldn't you want your police departments to be as good as possible with their guns, our department is also having trouble getting ammo

If u and your dept needs that much practice to stay up on your game then u need to just find another line of work. The cops that never think about pulling their guns are the real cops. The ones that shoot bout once in 5yrs. The trigger happy ones either end up on CNN or the unemployment line.


How would you know what is needed or not needed in the leo community? Who are you to say that the ones who like to be properly trained are more likely to be trigger happy and do something wrong? Training with a firearm is not just shooting at a dang target. There are many other exercises that you have to go through again and again so that you become proficient at it and so that you react instinctively in the right ways when/ if the time ever calls for it. I say this speaking from expertise, not some half-thought out opinion.

I concur.
 

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DeerKiller2012 said:
fredfred said:
Poleaxe said:
If u and your dept needs that much practice to stay up on your game then u need to just find another line of work. The cops that never think about pulling their guns are the real cops. The ones that shoot bout once in 5yrs. The trigger happy ones either end up on CNN or the unemployment line.

This could be the stupidest thing I've ever read on here!
I agree , Leo's usually train/ qualify in shoot don't shoot scenarios now days constantly . If it wasn't for their constant training in these scenarios there would probably be more shootings. There are a ton of scenarios where Leo's are lawfully allowed to shoot but most go to less lethal action or talk the subject down prepared for the worst at all times during the encounter. There are bad cops just like there are bad doctors/nurses, firemen, and anyone else for that matter , it just gets a lot more attention when a cop gets in trouble for what they are supposed to represent. [color:#FF0000]A lot of people could never do the job that Leo's do but for some reason the arm chair quarterbacks always come out, with their bright opinions. [/color]

Indeed they do.
 
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