Nashville school shooting

[Bambi Buster]

As to the deranged 28-yr-old mentally ill woman who murdered these innocent children and adults, I continue to struggle in attempt at understanding how she turned out to become so evil.

It doesn't appear she began her life as an evil person.
How did her demeanor, behavior, etc. develop into what she became?

If such question could be accurately answered, perhaps there would be fewer turning out like her in the future. In the meantime, sure seems we should be bringing back the old way of institutionalizing many mentally ill people who are determined a physical danger to society? Unfortunately, Audrey Hale probably wouldn't have met that criteria?

Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale was ‘stalkerish’ with ex-teammates

In February 2022, Audrey Hale showed up uninvited to a birthday party at an eatery in Tennessee, attended by several of her former basketball teammates.

nypost.com

For better or worse, the "old way" involved institutionalizing a great many people for reasons other than their being deemed a physical danger to society. Arguments can be made that wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[JCDEERMAN]

Agree to a degree.

But actually think it's more the reverse in that most people living in big cities are the ones living in a little bubble.

Agreed. Those rats in the city don’t have a sense of reality and common sense. They think we don’t. Well, when SHTF, the will find out in less than 2 weeks who those are with common sense and knows reality.

It is what it is. They chose to live like rats, they can die like rats

 

[MickThompson]

Count me as another one against arming teachers. My wife teaches elementary school. Both of my parents taught. She is within arms reach of hundreds of kids every single day. Kids hug their teachers. One momentary lapse in vigilance could be disastrous. Women are programmed to be caring, not vigilant- that what makes them better school teachers than most of us.

Concealed carry would be pointless. I can hide a gun on me in public because I'm in your presence for a moment, not hours at a time as the focus of your attention. The kids would know really quickly who was and wasn't armed. They'd either plan an attack to strike an armed teacher first, or avoid them altogether.

 

[Bambi Buster]

Metro Nashville schools continue to deny reality, claim armed security is racist.

Tactics instructor: 'Ninja skills' won't protect safety ambassador from school shooter

Metro Nashville Public Schools director wants to put unarmed school ambassadors in elementary schools instead of SROs.

fox17.com

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Metro Nashville schools continue to deny reality, claim armed security is racist.

Tactics instructor: 'Ninja skills' won't protect safety ambassador from school shooter

Metro Nashville Public Schools director wants to put unarmed school ambassadors in elementary schools instead of SROs.

fox17.com

Idiots. A simple safety film or the old school mesh glass we had when we were growing up would have held together for a little bit against this demented killer.

In this demented killers own manifesto it states she oicked this school because of low security.

SRO are a deterrent and have probably prevented more school shootings and school violence than we will ever know. School systems don't like for things to get home to parents unless they just have to let the cat out of the bag.

I know of at least two close calls
at one school system that could have gone bad that parents never heard about all because the SRO caught wind of it and difused it before it ever went anywhere.

No telling.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Count me as another one against arming teachers. My wife teaches elementary school. Both of my parents taught. She is within arms reach of hundreds of kids every single day. Kids hug their teachers. One momentary lapse in vigilance could be disastrous. Women are programmed to be caring, not vigilant- that what makes them better school teachers than most of us.

Concealed carry would be pointless. I can hide a gun on me in public because I'm in your presence for a moment, not hours at a time as the focus of your attention. The kids would know really quickly who was and wasn't armed. They'd either plan an attack to strike an armed teacher first, or avoid them altogether.

Right ? Especially if you had something like a columbine with multiple attackers.

One shooters starts the attack where a second attacker or third attacker waits in ambush for the teachers with guns to come out with their guns and ambush them.

Would not take some bright kids watching some video games or you tube to come up with that idea.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

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The new law, which critics say severely curtails first amendment rights in Tennessee, was set to go in effect on April 1.

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[FLTENNHUNTER1]

While I am a strong advocate for the 2nd amendment and strong advocate for protecting our kids at all cost I think arming teachers in general is a bad idea.

The day is going to come where a teacher is going to have to make a split second decision to draw down on one of his/her students that she has been teaching and that split second could get him/her disarmed. Now you have a student/students with a gun in their hands.
You have a teacher that is basically not a gun guy or girl that has a cheap flimsy Uncle mikes holster and or they decide the gun is too heavy and they decide to put it in a drawer for storage and one of the kids arms himself with it.

I am all about having SRO at schools. I feel they are a huge go between with the students and teachers and can spot problems before they happen. We have already read where this crackpot picked this school as its first target because of the low security.

My design would entail an extensive firearm training program to those teachers who decide to exercise their God given and Second Amendment guaranteed right to self preservation. Secure automated 2ft x 1ft foot gun vaults that automatically deploys firearm in select classrooms upon activation of active shooter automation system. Building wide automated alert system incorporating audible gun fire detection software, CCTV with firearm detection software, building wide lockdown systems compartmentalizing sections of the building with fire rated steel doors. Classrooms would have secure steel doors with card access. Shelter in place until the threat is eliminated or law enforcement clears the building. System can be overridden in the rare instance the SRO is killed in initial attack, or any other situation that requires manual override. System could be integrated with most fire alarms systems to determine if the lockdown system needs to release the doors during a fire alarm. You could evacuate the areas using zones.

No Uncle Mike's gun holding flimsy holsters lying around willy-nilly. No students overpowering the teachers. No teachers plugging unruly students. Hugs and kisses can continue.

The company I retired from already has some of the detection systems I mentioned above. If there is a will, there is a way.

The unaccounted for 120 billion the Biden Administration sent to the crook in Ukraine probably would have financed a large percentage of the systems I mentioned above. We could pick up another 165 billion if we secured our borders.

I would recommend installing the systems in Red States and Red Cities first to see how effective my design would be.

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[poorhunter]

Watched that earlier today. He does a good job in his analysis, and I always like Jonathan.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Thanks for posting that. I went down the rabbit hole tonight and watched all the AAR I could find on You Tube and FB on the Nashville shooting and agree with most of them.

This was a extremely fluid and fast developing situation and time was of a essence. As pointed out in several of them there were likely guys from multiple agencies working with each other for the fist time all with their own set of lingo and language.

For it to go as smoothly and efficiently as it did was remarkable.

One thing that I will throw out there in my AAR that I did NOT see was Rex grabbing a second Mag. Perhaps he had one on his person we never saw. Some guys wear one on their duty belt. Not that a 30 round mag is not enough to handle most situations but for malfunctions. Again he may have had one in the front seat and already pocketed it. Or had it on his duty belt. IDK. Just my observation

 

[Bambi Buster]

.....As pointed out in several of them there were likely guys from multiple agencies working with each other for the fist time all with their own set of lingo and language.....

I admittedly have not watched the AARs you have, and would agree it might have been the first time the officers worked that kind of scenario together. I would be surprised, however, to learn that any agency other than the Metro Nashville Police Department was involved during the first 20 minutes.

 

[Omega]

Right ? Especially if you had something like a columbine with multiple attackers.

One shooters starts the attack where a second attacker or third attacker waits in ambush for the teachers with guns to come out with their guns and ambush them.

Would not take some bright kids watching some video games or you tube to come up with that idea.

You can pick nits all day long, but the fact that a hardened target is better than a soft one. While I wouldn't want anyone forced to carry, giving those that qualify and have the required prerequisites the ability to choose may make some think twice.
Think about it, with as many mass shootings we've had, how many are at police stations, ranges, or other areas were there may be someone ready to respond in kind? Not many.

 

[Crow Terminator]

Well in that sense, Chris Kyle was probably more trained than any teacher could be, and was killed at a shooting range. He even had text his buddy (whom was also killed that day) while on the way to the range...that the would be shooter was "straight up nuts" and to watch his six. So they were trained, and already had a heads up/bad feeling that something might happen with this crazy guy, and still ended up dying.

 

[MickThompson]

Well in that sense, Chris Kyle was probably more trained than any teacher could be, and was killed at a shooting range. He even had text his buddy (whom was also killed that day) while on the way to the range...that the would be shooter was "straight up nuts" and to watch his six. So they were trained, and already had a heads up/bad feeling that something might happen with this crazy guy, and still ended up dying.

This exactly. Even when everything told one of deadliest warriors that something wasn't right, he let his guard down. It's not all preventable. If evil is determined to happen, it will find a way.

I haven't known but a handful of teachers that even resembled being capable of righteous violence and I'm pretty sure they've all retired.

Good police are in short supply. Teachers are in short supply. A teacher capable of policing is a rare unicorn indeed.

 

[peytoncreekhunter]

My biggest fear with teachers being armed is them having so much on "their plate" with the other teaching duties that they may get lax with the pistol and leave it out of their control and a student gets ahold of it. So to try and mitigate that, maybe policy that they MUST wear the pistol on their side at all times (in a GOOD retention holster). Not put in a desk drawer, not on a top shelf and not in a purse or briefcase. And to the point of if it isn't on their side when checked on by an administrator they are suspended without pay for 2 or 3 days. I can see some thug student trying to disarm them or finding the pistol and then there are a lot of problems.

They should also have to go through some good handgun training, not just what the state has for a carry permit. Like shooting on the move, using cover, multiple targets.....

A class on shoot don't shoot scenarios and legal aspects would be good too.

It probably sounds like I'm against teachers being armed but I'm not. There's just so much more to it than them having a permit to carry and having a pistol in the classroom.

 

[DaveTN]

Generally, the body count is determined by how long it takes the second gun to arrive on the scene. Although, in this case it appears security procedures may have greatly reduced the body count. I know if that's the case some would like to keep that quite, but a light needs to be shined on that to help other kids live.

When was the last school shooter engaged in conversation that stopped them from killing kids? I don't remember any. Usually attention is only brought to them by their gunfire. So much for any "Ninja skills" or "safety ambassadors".

I don't have a problem with teachers being armed. As long as they are teachers that want to do it, and they go through the same firearms training and reoccurring training and qualifications as their local Police Departments. Not only for training on engaging and stopping the threat of a suspected shooter, but for common sense gun control and security. Although I think most cities can afford cops in schools. It's just a cost they don't want to accept because they don't think it will happen to them….until it does.

 

[DaveTN]

When I was in high school in the early 1970's, we had school liaison Officers from the PD assigned to each high school. They weren't there because of school shootings, they were there because of the number of calls to Police coming from the schools.

This is something very different. One cop might help, but may not be present, or it may take awhile to respond. I still say technology is cheap and it needs to be used in addition to Officers. Cameras displaying the area outside all school entrances, showing on monitors in the office, teachers lounges, etc., could be an early warning system. Many of us have that at our homes because they just don't cost much anymore.

 

[PossumSlayer]

Federal judge temporarily blocks Tennessee drag ban

The new law, which critics say severely curtails first amendment rights in Tennessee, was set to go in effect on April 1.

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Not sure if this has been posted but here we go

A preacher needs to show up in the school and do a sermon then… good vs evil

 

[TheLBLman]

Even when everything told one of deadliest warriors that something wasn't right, he let his guard down.
It's not all preventable.
If evil is determined to happen, it will find a way.

And this is the reality we face, no matter what we do or don't.

We can only reduce and manage the "risks",
find ways to achieve better outcomes (at least on average).

It's often attention to small details, small ideas, that can make a significant difference towards the probability of LESS carnage, better odds of no carnage.

I think the continuous live-feed monitoring of the perimeters around schools, showing in classrooms and school offices could be one of those things. This alone could have given the police several minutes quicker notice.

Just different (stronger, steel reinforced) glass in those same doors could have delayed the terrorist's entry by several minutes. In fact, it's very plausible that those two factors alone, combined, could have prevented Audrey Hale from murdering those 3 children. As it unfolded, she likely still would have murdered the janitor, who stood in her way, but she might not have herself gotten thru those doors before the police arrived.

 

[FLTENNHUNTER1]

My design would entail an extensive firearm training program to those teachers who decide to exercise their God given and Second Amendment guaranteed right to self preservation. Secure automated 2ft x 1ft foot gun vaults that automatically deploys firearm in select classrooms upon activation of active shooter automation system. Building wide automated alert system incorporating audible gun fire detection software, CCTV with firearm detection software, building wide lockdown systems compartmentalizing sections of the building with fire rated steel doors. Classrooms would have secure steel doors with card access. Shelter in place until the threat is eliminated or law enforcement clears the building. System can be overridden in the rare instance the SRO is killed in initial attack, or any other situation that requires manual override. System could be integrated with most fire alarms systems to determine if the lockdown system needs to release the doors during a fire alarm. You could evacuate the areas using zones.

No Uncle Mike's gun holding flimsy holsters lying around willy-nilly. No students overpowering the teachers. No teachers plugging unruly students. Hugs and kisses can continue.

The company I retired from already has some of the detection systems I mentioned above. If there is a will, there is a way.

The unaccounted for 120 billion the Biden Administration sent to the crook in Ukraine probably would have financed a large percentage of the systems I mentioned above. We could pick up another 165 billion if we secured our borders.

I would recommend installing the systems in Red States and Red Cities first to see how effective my design would be.

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