Nashville school shooting

[FLTENNHUNTER1]

Arm the teachers do you actually know 2/3 of the teachers i wouldnt trust them with a sharp pencil around my kids!

Can't say that I do. But have a DIL a who is teacher and can handle a firearm very well and should be given the chance to defend herself. I am not saying arm all of them, but give the ones that want to a fighting chance. It's real easy to point a 38 at a shooters chest at 3 feet away and pull the trigger.

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Can't say that I do. But have a DIL a who is teacher and can handle a firearm very well and should be given the chance to defend herself. I am not saying arm all of them, but give the ones that want to a fighting chance. It's real easy to point a 38 at a shooters chest at 3 feet away and pull the trigger.

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

While I am a strong advocate for the 2nd amendment and strong advocate for protecting our kids at all cost I think arming teachers in general is a bad idea.

The day is going to come where a teacher is going to have to make a split second decision to draw down on one of his/her students that she has been teaching and that split second could get him/her disarmed. Now you have a student/students with a gun in their hands.
You have a teacher that is basically not a gun guy or girl that has a cheap flimsy Uncle mikes holster and or they decide the gun is too heavy and they decide to put it in a drawer for storage and one of the kids arms himself with it.

I am all about having SRO at schools. I feel they are a huge go between with the students and teachers and can spot problems before they happen. We have already read where this crackpot picked this school as its first target because of the low security.

 

[TheLBLman]

Arm the teachers do you actually know 2/3 of the teachers i wouldnt trust them with a sharp pencil around my kids!

I actually agree with you about this.
MOST of the teachers would hesitate to use deadly force,
then incompetently attempt.

However, maybe 10 to 15% of the teachers should be concealed carry, and regularly participating in a training program to enhance all the skills for quickly recognizing and neutralizing a terrorist.

That's on top of doing more to prevent any potential terrorist from gaining access to a school.

But never mind that an evil, mentally ill person can still find a way to commit murderous acts against innocent people. We can never stop it, we can only reduce the risk & the carnage.

 

[TheLBLman]

. . . . . have a DIL a who is teacher and can handle a firearm very well and should be given the chance to defend herself.

Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

Your DIL would be one of those 10-15% I mentioned.

And I agree with you regarding the Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.
I was just saying I don't think it should be mandated that most teachers carry a gun in class.
But it should be allowed. Perhaps with a bit of extra firearm safety instruction mandated.

10 to 15% should be mandated as a matter of "policy", and they should be more highly trained for their role, and paid extra compensation, i.e. "combat" pay.

In addition to these people being concealed carry, the identity of those carrying unknown to the students, there should be minimum of two visibly armed guards at every school when students are present. Those two (or more) visibly armed guards should never be near each other, i.e. they "guard" opposite sides of the school, which reduces the chance of both being near simultaneously taken out by terrorists.

 

[PossumSlayer]

While I am a strong advocate for the 2nd amendment and strong advocate for protecting our kids at all cost I think arming teachers in general is a bad idea.

The day is going to come where a teacher is going to have to make a split second decision to draw down on one of his/her students that she has been teaching and that split second could get him/her disarmed. Now you have a student/students with a gun in their hands.
You have a teacher that is basically not a gun guy or girl that has a cheap flimsy Uncle mikes holster and or they decide the gun is too heavy and they decide to put it in a drawer for storage and one of the kids arms himself with it.

I am all about having SRO at schools. I feel they are a huge go between with the students and teachers and can spot problems before they happen. We have already read where this crackpot picked this school as its first target because of the low security.

Can’t the teacher be taught? They already went through college.

 

[MUP]

Just don't deny them, the teachers, their right to keep and bear arms for their own protection, and subsequently the children under their care.

 

[Smo]

Can’t the teacher be taught? They already went through college.

A lots of them are “woke” and in favor of gun control…
Some id trust my life with..

As in Nashville, the School Board Superintendent.
She doesn’t see the need for SRO’s in elementary schools..

So if I were the parent of one of the victims she is over . If anything ever happened too one of my kids.. I would see her in Court for not providing the school protection when protection is available..

I do understand that Covenant was a private school.. which is an even easier fix..
Apparently it’s not covered under the Superintendent..

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Can’t the teacher be taught? They already went through college.

Am I sensing sarcasm here? Or are you being serious? Hard to tell sometimes on the interwebs .

Teachers can go through training at a advanced level. Lots of very fine training academies out there teach that teach the skills that would be require and demand that level of commitment. Trouble is a teacher would not only have to have the hands on training but also have the mental preparedness as well. Gonna be hard to match up those two things...the training and the mental preparedness all in one teacher. And then expect the teacher to seek remedial training and keep up a practice routine to keep the skills sharpened? I think its asking too much. Better to have a SRO or multiple SRO officers on duty that are trained to handle it. The amount of tuition private schools are charging they can afford one or two trained SRO officers.

 

[PossumSlayer]

Am I sensing sarcasm here? Or are you being serious? Hard to tell sometimes on the interwebs .

Teachers can go through training at an advanced level. Lots of very fine training academies out there teach that teach the skills that would be require and demand that level of commitment. Trouble is a teacher would not only have to have the hands on training but also have the mental preparedness as well. Gonna be hard to match up those two things...the training and the mental preparedness all in one teacher. And then expect the teacher to seek remedial training and keep up a practice routine to keep the skills sharpened? I think its asking too much. Better to have a SRO or multiple SRO officers on duty that are trained to handle it. The amount of tuition private schools are charging they can afford one or two trained SRO officers.

I went through basic, probably 1/2 of my platoon never shot a firearm. One guy never drove a car. Yes I’m serious

 

[Omega]

I went through basic, probably 1/2 of my platoon never shot a firearm. One guy never drove a car. Yes I’m serious

Air Force? Only one that didn't fire was a conscientious objector and he was released from service. Now, if you are referring to handguns, then yes, no enlisted qualified with one, I didn't either until I joined special ops 16 years later, now I think they all get familiarization with one.

 

[redblood]

Arm the teachers do you actually know 2/3 of the teachers i wouldnt trust them with a sharp pencil around my kids!

But there is another 1/3. These are hunters, competitive shooters and ex military etc. Many of these individuals coach, workout with the kids and keep themselves in great shape to boot. Plus all of them are educated and probably have the aptitude needed for such situations.

Our football coach is a former army ranger. And can bench 500 plus pounds

 

[PossumSlayer]

Air Force? Only one that didn't fire was a conscientious objector and he was released from service. Now, if you are referring to handguns, then yes, no enlisted qualified with one, I didn't either until I joined special ops 16 years later, now I think they all get familiarization with one.

Army in 84, probably 10 were puerto rica and 2 from Hawaii.. we called em islanders and 1 Hawaiian had a blanket party I ended up at the same company at fort hood with the skinny black guy from NYC that never drove before. Me n him became good friends and got an article 15 together. He was a master chef when it came to soul food!

 

[PossumSlayer]

Air Force? Only one that didn't fire was a conscientious objector and he was released from service. Now, if you are referring to handguns, then yes, no enlisted qualified with one, I didn't either until I joined special ops 16 years later, now I think they all get familiarization with one.

I meant never shot till in army

 

[Omega]

I meant never shot till in army

Ah, now I get it. As to driving, one of my soldiers wasn't licensed, for cars, but he had a pilots license.

 

[PossumSlayer]

Ah, now I get it. As to driving, one of my soldiers wasn't licensed, for cars, but he had a pilots license.

Wtf?

 

[PillsburyDoughboy]

Ah, now I get it. As to driving, one of my soldiers wasn't licensed, for cars, but he had a pilots license.

Not unusual if they were from a area with mass transit. Someone born and raised say in NYC would have never had a need to learn to drive a car and get a DL.

I think some people live in a little bubble in TN and have never experienced other people's cultures or understood how people in other states have lived and been raised.

Imagine being born and raised in Florida and they close schools for the day because Florida is getting its first dusting in???? and they want kids to be able to see it. Seems weird to us but it happened when I was staying down there in February of 2003.

 

[peytoncreekhunter]

 

[TheLBLman]

But there is another 1/3. These are hunters, competitive shooter and ex military you should. Many if these individuals coach, workout with the kids and keep themselves in great shape to boot. Plus all of them are educated and probably have the aptitude needed for such situations.

That may be true in many rural areas of TN.
Doubt the numbers are that good (high) inside Nashville.

 

[TheLBLman]

I think some people live in a little bubble in TN and have never experienced other people's cultures or understood how people in other states have lived and been raised.

Agree to a degree.

But actually think it's more the reverse in that most people living in big cities are the ones living in a little bubble.

 

[TheLBLman]

As to the deranged 28-yr-old mentally ill woman who murdered these innocent children and adults, I continue to struggle in attempt at understanding how she turned out to become so evil.

It doesn't appear she began her life as an evil person.
How did her demeanor, behavior, etc. develop into what she became?

If such question could be accurately answered, perhaps there would be fewer turning out like her in the future. In the meantime, sure seems we should be bringing back the old way of institutionalizing many mentally ill people who are determined a physical danger to society? Unfortunately, Audrey Hale probably wouldn't have met that criteria?

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