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Started on a new property today. A very interesting multi use diverse and needy piece on the Cumberland river in Stewart County. It will be managed for all wildlife and includes duck holes, wetlands, mature hardwoods, thickets, plenty of ground for plots and native cover for large and small game. There is a conservancy easement coming for part, wetland restoration and fencerow removal. I am excited for this property and the long days that are coming.
 
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Yes sir, used to deer hunt Stewart county years ago, near Bumpus Mills. There are some Big boys in that area. After we lost our deer hunting area, we picked up an area we could duck hunt. Had many days we shot them in the face. I miss that area for sure. Its a hunters paradise.
 
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East of Dover, Near Cumberland City, North shore of the Cumberland
Both sides of the Cumberland River are good.
(What you're properly calling the North shore, I improperly refer to as the West side of the Cumberland.)

I believe after you get more than a few hundred yards away from the river, the east side (going towards and getting into Montgomery County) has significantly better soils than Stewart County west of the Cumberland. Have just noticed over the years that the deer killed east of the Cumberland seem to average about 10" larger antlers per age class than west.

But also note deer near the river on either side frequently swim it (i.e., same deer near the river using both sides). Also (in Stewart Co.), ten times (maybe 100 times!) more ag crops along either side the Cumberland compared to the east side of the TN River only a few miles away. Those croplands greatly enhance things for both waterfowl opportunities & growing better deer.

Sounds like an ideal piece of land, as not many have both good waterfowl & deer opportunities, plus good fishing as a big bonus!
 
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Both sides of the Cumberland River are good.
(What you're properly calling the North shore, I improperly refer to as the West side of the Cumberland.)

I believe after you get more than a few hundred yards away from the river, the east side (going towards and getting into Montgomery County) has significantly better soils than Stewart County west of the Cumberland. Have just noticed over the years that the deer killed east of the Cumberland seem to average about 10" larger antlers per age class than west.

But also note deer near the river on either side frequently swim it (i.e., same deer near the river using both sides). Also (in Stewart Co.), ten times (maybe 100 times!) more ag crops along either side the Cumberland compared to the east side of the TN River only a few miles away. Those croplands greatly enhance things for both waterfowl opportunities & growing better deer.

Sounds like an ideal piece of land, as not many have both good waterfowl & deer opportunities, plus good fishing as a big bonus!
Thanks for the added data. I am excited to be working on this property that is such a natural gem and getting to participate in maximizing the potential there.
 
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I have been passionate about hunting since childhood and have always dreamed of buying a house near the woods.
 
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It’s been a year and I released my dozer to the leasing company today.
180,000 (engineering estimate) yards of soil moved, removed, contoured and graded all in the interest of conservation and restoration of a wetland and its inhabitants. I know we moved some of that soil 2 and 3 times. Push dry dirt into a wet hole just so you can push it out to dry up. Overfill to get across the grade down when it settles out. Filled in a large old man made pond and some big erosions, set grade to manage water and built low berms to make it stand. Maximized the amount of time water spends here without getting over 18 inches deep, 12 inches or less over most. Fought ground water rising as we worked all along and have been holding 20 acres of water in duck holes up grade just trying to be dry enough to work. TWF has seeded native grasses and water plants as well as planted thousands of mast producing hardwoods intended for wetlands. This has been one heck of an education
 
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A couple years to establish the flora and this place will be amazing. These pics are just about half of the work area, anything green and flat was worked last fall and winter.
 

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Sounds like an amazing project and an awesome piece of property....great location too....thanks for sharing.
 
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A couple years to establish the flora and this place will be amazing. These pics are just about half of the work area, anything green and flat was worked last fall and winter.

Agree.
One thing that really stands out about your pictures is how "flat" that area of the county is compared to most the county being steep ridge & hollow land. Even along the TN River on the other side of the county, not much flat land suitable for ag crops.

Looks like you could have some big crop fields if you wanted them, rice fields, or whatever.

In that river-bottom area, Is the soil on the north (or west) side of the Cumberland as productive as the south (or east) side?
 
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Agree.
One thing that really stands out about your pictures is how "flat" that area of the county is compared to most the county being steep ridge & hollow land. Even along the TN River on the other side of the county, not much flat land suitable for ag crops.

Looks like you could have some big crop fields if you wanted them, rice fields, or whatever.

In that river-bottom area, Is the soil on the north (or west) side of the Cumberland as productive as the south (or east) side?
It can be and it can be a real challenge to. Much of it is organic rich sediment and silt with a high sand content. But there is a massive sand bar that runs diagonal across a lot of this that gets very dry at times. While working this we opened a gravel bar that the core drillers missed and we were racing ground water seepage from that moment till we finished. Good soil is likely not as deep here as on the south shore as we are up against those hills and Hollars you mentioned . But is very evident the river was over here eons ago.
 
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Good soil is likely not as deep here as on the south shore . . . . .
At least there is soil there! 🙂
Much of my hunting areas (like most the county) is as much rock as soil!

Really amazing how one side of the river can have such good soil, while the other side does not.
And the soil seems to get better along the Cumberland River the farther north you go?
 
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At least there is soil there! 🙂
Much of my hunting areas (like most the county) is as much rock as soil!

Really amazing how one side of the river can have such good soil, while the other side does not.
And the soil seems to get better along the Cumberland River the farther north you go?
It has always been a wonder to me about the Cumberland. Starting out up in eastern Ky in some really rugged hills and hollars, playing with the plateau across so much of Tennessee’s heartland collecting the best of the runoff from those hills and ridges, all that organic matter and various minerals released by the rocks eventually ground down to sand and less. Every tributary donating parts from yet more fertile hills then spilling out into the flatlands where the flooding is just a mechanism for depositing those nutrients onto the lands. Those fertile lands along the the Cumberlands last few miles owe a lot to the Cumberland Plateau for thousands of years of contributions. I have spent a lifetime working all around this river without recognizing its significance. From Somerset to Byrdstown on down thru Gainesboro not to mention all over the Candy Fork, Carthage, Hartsville, Lebanon, Mt. Juliet, Nashville, Ashland City, Clarksville to Dover and back to KY flowing out at Grand Rivers. Only now do I begin to realize that this river has been an ever present force in my life. Everyone of those towns has been significant in My life for a variety of reasons. I have driven over, floated on, boated through, eaten from, recreated beside and in that river and it’s tributaries. I have farmed land along or near it’s tributaries and hunted all about it. The glass of water I am drinking right now came from it. The Cumberland seems to cling to the hills like my heart it gets it’s strength from them thar hills. It’s the hills that allow the Cumberland to spread its riches onto the lowlands and flatlands as itself slows, spreads out and becomes old.
 
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Fine looking tract of ground you fixed up. Is that back towards bull pasture from the ferry?

You mentioned the soils. As the riverbottom land gets back towards Clarksville it is Arrington soils. When you are running a dozer or scraper in that soil it comes up in chunks. It’s so hard to smooth because you pull up big chunks 2 feet below the cutting edge or the blade.
 
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Fine looking tract of ground you fixed up. Is that back towards bull pasture from the ferry?

You mentioned the soils. As the riverbottom land gets back towards Clarksville it is Arrington soils. When you are running a dozer or scraper in that soil it comes up in chunks. It’s so hard to smooth because you pull up big chunks 2 feet below the cutting edge or the blade.
This property is west of the ferry between the river and the ridge line right back against the TWRA boat ramp. I am told that this was a cattle farm at some point in the past.
You are absolutely correct about the Arrington soil, there was a band there very similar to Arrington. We had to cut it out mix it with the adjacent sandy silt and then grade back to the desired finish. Its tough work when it breaks out like that and a rough ride
 
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That's a great and rewarding way to make a living! And that 850 JD is a dream for such projects. Awesome pics of the progress!
That 850 had 2 hours on it when they delivered it. No doubt a sweet ride. The balance point is a little aft and the machine is long so subtle changes can really challenge the operator. The blade needed cutters and wings to increase the carry volume but it sure can roll dirt and long distance grading is a real pleasure.
 

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