Mine came in and surprisingly passed my #1 concern, squatting down like a catcher to see if they had enough room, stretch and give at the crotch point. Surprisingly, they did. I will give them a try and see how they hold up. If I make it one turkey season without blowing out the crotch, I will be surprised. Time will tell. They are definitely noisier than I like, so will see if they quieten down from use, abuse, wash and reuse. Not that big of fan of the camo patterns, but I know camo patterns are more for the hunter than the wildlife, so willing to look past that aspect.