Covid 19 and Vaccine ignorance

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Correct, and the shots are working as they were supposed to work...reduce symptoms and deaths. Thing is though, they sold the concept of the shots that they would stop the virus and that you wouldn’t get the virus or spread the virus if you got the shots. The point of the article is to show that all that was more lies from the CDC and the media. The virus is spreading from vaccinated people, probably even more so than unvaccinated because they were told they couldn’t spread the virus if vaccinated. We will be dealing with this for years and years.
I'd say that is SPOT on... except for a couple tiny errors.

When the vaccine was tested, we DID expect 95% immunity and near 100% prevention of severe disease. But that was based on the 100,000 or so tested subjects followed for the 3 to 4 months before release to general public. So the efficacy stated earlier was not a lie...

We did not know (but did suspect) the efficacy would wane over time from initial injection. Which has proven to be true. We also did not know if it would be effective against future mutations of the virus. The vaccine (and success) is based off the Alpha strain.

Then Delta came out. Sure enough, the vaccine is less effective (much less effective... most reasonable guesstimate puts efficacy between 40 and 80% prevention of the disease).

Fortunately, the vaccine against the Alpha variant is proving to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce severe disease (defined as requiring hospitalization... or worse) against Delta. I don't really keep up with the rest of the US... mostly just Mississippi... but we have about 14,000 positive tests (probably 3x that many more infected, but not sick enough to bother testing) in the past couple weeks.

Of those sick enough to require hospitalization, 90% are unvaccinated.

At this very moment, Pfizer is working on a booster designed specifically for Delta. I don't expect it to be available for another half year, though. Too late if the current trend continues.
 

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I'd say that is SPOT on... except for a couple tiny errors.

When the vaccine was tested, we DID expect 95% immunity and near 100% prevention of severe disease. But that was based on the 100,000 or so tested subjects followed for the 3 to 4 months before release to general public. So the efficacy stated earlier was not a lie...

We did not know (but did suspect) the efficacy would wane over time from initial injection. Which has proven to be true. We also did not know if it would be effective against future mutations of the virus. The vaccine (and success) is based off the Alpha strain.

Then Delta came out. Sure enough, the vaccine is less effective (much less effective... most reasonable guesstimate puts efficacy between 40 and 80% prevention of the disease).

Fortunately, the vaccine against the Alpha variant is proving to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce severe disease (defined as requiring hospitalization... or worse) against Delta. I don't really keep up with the rest of the US... mostly just Mississippi... but we have about 14,000 positive tests (probably 3x that many more infected, but not sick enough to bother testing) in the past couple weeks.

Of those sick enough to require hospitalization, 90% are unvaccinated.

At this very moment, Pfizer is working on a booster designed specifically for Delta. I don't expect it to be available for another half year, though. Too late if the current trend continues.

I think those that developed the vaccine knew what the vaccines would do. I think those that developed the virus knew what it would do. I think there were a few that fall into both those groups. I don’t think there has been many surprises. Decades have been spent of mRNA vaccines and decades have been spent on gain of function. Do they know everything? No, but they know more than they have let out.

At least that’s my tin foil hat stuff...
 

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In reality I don't think they tell all because of simply whats happening now . Would you tell your child after giving all of them Popsicles that they maybe one that don't taste good , each child would be hammering you to tell them which one ? Or give them all bicycles but knowing one will tear up based on reviews so would you tell your children " now one of you is going to get a lemon " ? No your hoping all is going to be good and you missed the lemons . Just let's say the grocer is giving away porter house steaks because he can write them off on taxes but the reason he's giving them away some not all will give you the runs , think he'll tell you that giving the fact that if he don't give them away he'll have to take a loss . Don't care if you give me steaks if I take the chance of getting the scares I'm not taking them but there will be those to take the chance. I know these are terrible scenarios but that's exactly why some are hesitant to get the vaccines from all the negative reviews which are not 100 % true . If there hadn't been any negative reviews our vaccination rate would be much higher i guarantee that.
 

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I'll give one more response and believe me I love each one of you Jugheads (j/k) even those who are liberals may not like you but I love you in Christ . Please we are Americans and apparently we don't like our leadership but we are Americans , true blue Americans ! Let's say we continue down this path of uncertainess , believing this or no lets believe this . How in the round world are we going to beat this evil virus if we don't band together ??? Well you don't want to take a chance on this vaccine , I understand i didn't either but I did . We take chances every day going down the road three feet from a head on collision from someone looking at their phone let alone a drunk driver . There are risks we don't think of each day that we could lose our life in a split second. These vaccines have helped maybe not to what we had hoped but they have helped. Please consider what some have said if only I had of took the vaccine but too late now . I know most of you men want what's best for your family but can you imagine them without you because you didn't take a little jab ? I know we don't know the long term effects of this vaccine but what if there aren't any long term effects and you chose not to take it and lost your battle with covid leaving your family fatherless ? Taking the lesser of the two evils was the reason I took the vaccine and my wife being very dependent upon me I would hate to leave her that way. God will take me the day He has marked me down for and that's ok because that's entirely out of my hand. In life Christians rely mostly on God for direction but at times He wants you to just "STAND" !! Choose this day how you are going to STAND and let's quit bickering amongst ourselves . One more thing going back to one statement I made " JUST HOW ARE WE GOING TO BEAT THIS THING " ?
 

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I totally agree. It’s really sad. If we could just turn off the tv, and live our lives, the world we inhabit daily would be a much better place.
That’s probably the reason why the Amish haven’t been effected by Covid.





"As a region, we definitely surged over the winter, and we know that that happened about 90 days ago," Derr says. "We're primed and ready for another surge because we're not vaccinating enough."

 

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Believe what you will and discount what you don’t my friend. What’s even crazier is the second article cites the WVU sociologist as an expert. 🤡🌎 All those links are nothing but assumptions. Please read them prior to posting that garbage.
 

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I hear you. I blame the media first (the absolute lowest life forms on earth) and foremost, and politicians ( the cesspools that breeds the media) right behind them.
Sir, your right on the money. I would like to think Americans will start to push back, if we don’t the professional politicians will lead us to a socialist country until we get hungry then it’s be time for a rebellion.
 

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As intended.
Intentionally divided--I say intentionally inflicted upon us, but that's just my conspiratorial distrust talking.

Intentional division, unrelenting, continuous propaganda, all for a disease with (today's data) a 99.9824% recovery rate in the US.
Yep, that equals a mortality rate of 0.0176% mortality rate, folks.
IF you believe their skewed numbers--counting anyone who tested positive and died--even testing of corpses post-mortem. Big difference of dying FROM COVID, and dying WITH (positive test result)
Semantics played to the hilt.
The sky is falling.
 

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I just watched a segment on the local news where a ga man was being interviewed. Apparently "they" are paying him $50 to take the shot. He said "the $50 was what got me out here to take it, but it really needed to be $100". What the heck? First of all, where is the money coming from to pay these people to take an injection, and 2nd is who is "they"? This is why I am personally so skeptical of this vaccine program, it has, and continues to sound like a used car salesman's sales pitch, to me anyway.
 

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Local family .. Dad just passed of Covid, Mom and MIL in hospital … have 3 teenagers is what I’m reading. I don’t know ANY other circumstances… but I know I hope that whomever released this crap on us all, burns in helll for an eternity. The virus, the vaccines, the division, the family’s who couldn’t see their loved ones as they lay dying in a hospital alone… Whoever started this… needs to burn
 

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I usually stay quite on this stuff but man I can't understand why we make things so hard. If you want to get the shot get it, if you don't want to get the shot do not. There is no sense in ridiculing people on either side of the issue. I will tell you this I would talk to my health care professionals for advice rather than look to the internet. There has been so much misinformation out that it's no wonder people are confused. I cant think of any doctor that has anything to gain one way or the other from giving you a professional opinion. My point is we shouldn't divide or ridicule each other for a difficult decision with the information we have. But please consult a doctor you can trust before you listen to a guy on snapbook or a politician ! I will not judge you either way you decide to go, make the best decision for you and your family.
 

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I usually stay quite on this stuff but man I can't understand why we make things so hard. If you want to get the shot get it, if you don't want to get the shot do not. There is no sense in ridiculing people on either side of the issue. I will tell you this I would talk to my health care professionals for advice rather than look to the internet. There has been so much misinformation out that it's no wonder people are confused. I cant think of any doctor that has anything to gain one way or the other from giving you a professional opinion. My point is we shouldn't divide or ridicule each other for a difficult decision with the information we have. But please consult a doctor you can trust before you listen to a guy on snapbook or a politician ! I will not judge you either way you decide to go, make the best decision for you and your family.
I agree with this with one exception. A lot of GPs will just repeat CDC guidance.
 

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I got the jab. If you don't want to get the plague from me because I might be a carrier and transmitter, go get the jab. I am NOT wearing a mask to protect the unvaccinated.
 

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One thing to remember is that this virus was engineered in a lab and is not completely natural. Knowing that China purposely spread the virus, imo, now that this virus is mutating and reverting back to its natural state, the original strain seems to be loosing its effectiveness and I believe it seems they have found ways to continue spreading other strong variants. The chances that China has other bio-variants is pretty high. imo Im sure there are multiple ways to ship any given virus and have operatives spread it at airports, etc...not to mention the illegals being shipped to different areas of the States. Extremely difficult to trace and stop such deceit in a free country. Seems China has known our weaknesses for a long time. We obviously have so much more to learn. China must pay a big price and you can bet this will be a huge campaign angle. Combined with phase two of the trade deal and we will be back on track in my uneducated opinion. But until then, God help us.
 

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Today I met my nieces “ boyfriend’s” mother. She is my age and yesterday her oldest son died of Covid. He was 20 years old, perfectly healthy with no underlying medical conditions. He has been in the hospital since May and had undergone surgeries and amputations in an effort to save his life. He wasn’t vaccinated and his family has no idea as to where he caught Covid.

Its stories like these that make me think about getting the vaccine, not so much for myself but for my wife and daughter not having to go thru something like this with me.

In all honesty, I don’t care what side of the fence you are on about getting vaccinated ( conspiracy theories, where Covid came from or your opinion on Fauci ) but ask yourself if there was even the smallest of chances of yourself dying a terrible death and you could prevent it in some small way, would you get vaccinated? I’m beginning to think that I may get the vaccine after what I heard this family has gone thru. I couldn’t imagine having my wife and daughter to make the decisions this family did to try and save my life.

It was honestly heart wrenching to hear and see this woman trying to tell her story ( what the kids didn’t know about what had fully happened) and the efforts the medical staff went thru trying to save her son. For those people who know me, know where I stand on Covid, the vaccine, etc….but if this vaccine even provides that .02% of a chance of lessening a death like what this kid went thru…..its becoming more likely that I may want to get it.

Im 51 years old and there is a schit ton of things that I want to do before my time on this world ends. I sure as hell don’t wanna check out due to a virus cooked up in a lab in China.
 

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From everything I've read or watched on the news and info from the CDC; looks like the shot isn't changing anything and there are no long term studies on it, so I'll pass. Im not worried about it to be honest. If it weren't for media I wouldn't even know it exists.. Just sucks it's gonna crush our economy again.
 

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How much interest does major pharmaceutical companies have in the MSM?

They’re making big bucks pushing pills on tv….
I would think they’ll profit from the jabs as well..
Just my opinion…
 

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I'm still on the fence about the vaccine. Probably would have been more likely to get it if my dad didn't lose his hearing after the second dose of Pfizer. That being said what difference does it really make if we allow China to continue making deadly viruses? They supposedly have a SARS virus they are cooking up that has a 15x higher mortality rate than Covid.
 

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I have yet to have met a physician or higher educated health care professional that has suggested not taking one of the vaccines.

Same!! I have asked 2 doctors in a conversation and talked to nurses I know. They are all saying get the vaccine.

My personal doctor as well as my sons pediatrician (who has no dog in the fight as she is not administering vaccines to her patients) both said, the vaccines are safe. They did recommend Phizer or Moderna.

The vaccines were made from research that was started when MERS went around. MERS (like most corona viruses) died out quickly. That caused the research to lose funding and it has been "limping" along since. This one comes and stays... The arrival of COVID19 allowed the researchers to get the funding they needed to complete the research that had been "Limping" along for years. They got it done. Was it in a hurry yes, did they skip animal trials, no (myth) it was done simultaneously.

Do whatever you want to do. It is 100% your choice. I do not agree that we should have to prove it, it is not anyone's business. I also do not agree it should be required for employment.

That being said, when I went to college at MTSU, they made us go get a bunch of vaccines and prove it. My work made us prove we had this vaccine, as a stipulation to not have to wear a mask at work. Private and governmental entities can make up rules for access to their buildings and facilities.
 
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