Very curious to see others comments. This honestly disgusted me. Would anyone one here go on this hunt?
http://youtu.be/j-yfUfGNG3g
http://youtu.be/j-yfUfGNG3g
Bison hunt?
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Beekeeper
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How else would you hunt a buffalo with a gun?
If You want to kill a buffalo your choice of hunts is very limited.
If You want to kill a buffalo your choice of hunts is very limited.
In a heartbeat.....
For one, they seemed to honor and abide by the plains Indian traditions involved with killing a bison. Secondly, the panoramic view of the camera doesn't exactly make it look like they can just walk out their back door to find them. I did find it pretty dorky that he used shooting sticks from about 50' away. And judging by the lack of hollering, "YEAH, DIRT ROLLED 'EM!" comments common with other hunting shows, and the post-kill presence of other animals in the background, this outfit seems to maintain a healthy respect for the herd.
For one, they seemed to honor and abide by the plains Indian traditions involved with killing a bison. Secondly, the panoramic view of the camera doesn't exactly make it look like they can just walk out their back door to find them. I did find it pretty dorky that he used shooting sticks from about 50' away. And judging by the lack of hollering, "YEAH, DIRT ROLLED 'EM!" comments common with other hunting shows, and the post-kill presence of other animals in the background, this outfit seems to maintain a healthy respect for the herd.
jameseboy
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In about 25 years millions of buffalo were killed. Its not cause they are elusive animals. Guys would sit on a hill and pick off a hundred or so while several others used mule teams to pull off the skins. Unless you go to primitive weapons its how they are killed.
But is it hunting? Don't get me wrong I love a good bison burger, but is this more of processing a raised anmial than hunting. If I go out into a field and kill a steer to butcher is that hunting? Normally My attitude is - if its legal and you can sleep at night doing it, more power to you. For some reason though this really bothered me. Maybe it was the fact he got camo'd up for it and used shooting sticks that bugged me 
Hunting is the act of pursuing and killing wild game animals. As stated above, bison are pretty docile animals that aren't difficult to approach. However, I'd have to say that finding them in that vast expanse might be pretty difficult.
But I'm with you on the shooting sticks & camo. RuPaul could've tackled that thing with the same effort. I thought the guy would've at least attempted a "shot". Then again, as tough as those critters are, the object was to kill the animal as quickly as possible.
But I'm with you on the shooting sticks & camo. RuPaul could've tackled that thing with the same effort. I thought the guy would've at least attempted a "shot". Then again, as tough as those critters are, the object was to kill the animal as quickly as possible.
Chaneylake
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buy a period correct rifle, get a buffalo permit, kill buffalo and then comment
I went and looked at their site. No permit required you are "hunting" a captive herd. You pay $2500, to kill one, they then send it to the processor for you. They also sell a harvest for the same price. From what it looks like you are paying $2500 + processing fee to either kill a buffalo or they will kill one for you.
I am not saying this is a bad thing. Because their site states the profit is then used to conserve more land and to continue to raise more buffalo. But explain to me how this is different then if I walk out to my pasture, shoot a steer and then process the meat? Is that hunting?
I am not saying this is a bad thing. Because their site states the profit is then used to conserve more land and to continue to raise more buffalo. But explain to me how this is different then if I walk out to my pasture, shoot a steer and then process the meat? Is that hunting?
That's the way it's been done for thousands of years.
Too many people base what they thought it was like on the movies they watch rather than the history books. That's the very way Teddy Roosevelt did it, rode his horse right up to them, got off and simply shot the animal that was standing there less than 20 yards from him.
Indians riding on horses bearback and shooting their bows with a running herd is pure Hollywood. The Indians weren't stupid, first off too many of them would have been killed as well as their horses plus the meat would have been spread out for miles. They hunted that way only if they had to.
With the Indians it was not kill or be killed it was kill or STARVE. The best and EASIEST way to hunt Bison was to force as many as they could to run off a cliff mostly breaking their legs and a few necks then going down there and finishing them off. That way all the meat was all in one place making it less work for everybody.
As for the camo, look at what the Indians did. They covered themselves with Bison hides and walked to within bow range. Put in a couple "stone arrowhead tipped" arrows in them then waited for them to die and went on to the next one.
Way too much Hollywood is being passed off as history.
Too many people base what they thought it was like on the movies they watch rather than the history books. That's the very way Teddy Roosevelt did it, rode his horse right up to them, got off and simply shot the animal that was standing there less than 20 yards from him.
Indians riding on horses bearback and shooting their bows with a running herd is pure Hollywood. The Indians weren't stupid, first off too many of them would have been killed as well as their horses plus the meat would have been spread out for miles. They hunted that way only if they had to.
With the Indians it was not kill or be killed it was kill or STARVE. The best and EASIEST way to hunt Bison was to force as many as they could to run off a cliff mostly breaking their legs and a few necks then going down there and finishing them off. That way all the meat was all in one place making it less work for everybody.
As for the camo, look at what the Indians did. They covered themselves with Bison hides and walked to within bow range. Put in a couple "stone arrowhead tipped" arrows in them then waited for them to die and went on to the next one.
Way too much Hollywood is being passed off as history.
I di a story many years ago about a free ranging bison hunt in Utah. It was a bow hunt and the guy, can't remember his name, spemt nine days before he got a shot. Killed a big bull and it took two arrows. One heckof a hunt.
I always wanted to hunt them off a horse as the Indians did. Never could afford it.
I always wanted to hunt them off a horse as the Indians did. Never could afford it.
There is a guy in Birmingham that owns a small herd of Bison. He killed one with a hand made bow/arrow/stone point. Here it is
http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthreads. ... 237&page=1
http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthreads. ... 237&page=1
jameseboy
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The same kind of thing could easily be said about whitetails. Sitting in a stand and waiting to ambush one attracted by food plots scents and grunts isn't a ton different than this buffalo hunt. In its own way its kinda like saying only proper deer hunt is to stay on ground and stalk the deer.
As far as the video goes, pretty much all of us get all "camoed-up" and sit in a fully enclosed shooting house. Lots of people hunt on preserves, baiting is legal in places. For me this video falls into the category of- "if its legal, and you want to do it, knock yourself out"-
If its a privately owned herd, who am I to say how you can slaughter your animals.
If its a privately owned herd, who am I to say how you can slaughter your animals.
Interesting part was the comments...most of them from people who will piss their panties when they see a road killed possum. They would have a real cow if they saw this done with a bow.
in the dog house
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Poser said:
Kinda like calling todays "country"....... country
Poser said:
Most of the detractors of this video have completely missed the point others have mad--bison aren't a very wary animal, and you don't really have to "sneak up" on them.
They're herdbeasts that use the herd as defense when needed.
The Indians put a buffalo robe on, then walked or crawled right up to them and shot them at very close range.
Or they stampeded them off a cliff or bluff.
They aren't deer or elk, they're not nearly as wary.
The main challenge the Indians had was locating the herd.
The rest was pretty straightforward.
Applying "today's standards" regarding the term "hunting" is just wrong.
The pioneers, Indians, heck, even caveman didn't "hunt".
They killed.
in the dog house
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Agreed.
