Bill Clinton: I changed my mind on gay marriage
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knoxvol
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I wouldn't expect any different from Slick Willie. But until just a few years ago I would have never thought Clint Eastwood would do a turn around.
Clint Eastwood, a/k/a Rowdy Yates from 1960's movie series "Rawhide," used to be a tough guy's tough guy. But no more. He's went sweet on us.
Clint Eastwood backs gay marriage
Million Dollar Baby director one of 80 Republicans to sign legal brief calling for legalization of same-sex unions
Clint Eastwood lent his support to the fight for gay marriage, adding his name to a legal brief that calls on the US supreme court to legalise same-sex unions. The Oscar-winning film-maker and actor made an eccentric appearance at last year's Republican national convention, berating an empty chair to the various amusement and bemusement of the gathered dignitaries. He now joins a breakaway group of moderate Republicans that threatens to expose a split within the party.
Partial list of signatories:
�Ken Mehlman, Chairman, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
�Tim Adams, Undersecretary of the Treasury for International Affairs, 2005-2007
�David D. Aufhauser, General Counsel, Department of Treasury, 2001-2003
�Cliff S. Asness, Businessman, Philanthropist, and Author
�John B. Bellinger III, Legal Adviser to the Department of State, 2005-2009
�Katie Biber, General Counsel, Romney for President, 2007-2008 and 2011-2012
�Mary Bono Mack, Member of Congress, 1998-2013
�William A. Burck, Deputy Staff Secretary, Special Counsel and Deputy Counsel to the President, 2005-2009
�Alex Castellanos, Republican Media Advisor
�Paul Cellucci, Governor of Massachusetts, 1997-2001, and Ambassador to Canada, 2001-2005
�Mary Cheney, Director of Vice Presidential Operations, Bush-Cheney 2004
�Jim Cicconi, Assistant to the President & Deputy to the Chief of Staff, 1989-1990
�James B. Comey, United States Deputy Attorney General, 2003-2005
�R. Clarke Cooper, U.S. Alternative Representative, United Nations Security Council, 2007-2009
�Julie Cram, Deputy Assistant to the President and Director White House Office of Public Liaison, 2007-2009
�Michele Davis, Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and Director of Policy Planning, Department of the Treasury, 2006-2009
�Kenneth M. Duberstein, White House Chief of Staff and Assistant to the President, 1981-1984 and 1987-1989
�Lew Eisenberg, Finance Chairman, Republican National Committee, 2002-2004
�Elizabeth Noyer Feld, Public Affairs Specialist, White House Office of Management and Budget, 1984-1987
�David Frum, Special Assistant to the President, 2001-2002
�Richard Galen, Communications Director, Speaker�s Political Office, 1996-1997
�Mark Gerson, Chairman, Gerson Lehrman Group and Author of The Neoconservative Vision: From the Cold War to the Culture Wars and In the Classroom: Dispatches from an Inner-City School that Works
�Benjamin Ginsberg, General Counsel, Bush-Cheney 2000 & 2004
�Adrian Gray, Director of Strategy, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
�Richard Grenell, Spokesman, U.S. Ambassadors to the United Nations, 2001-2008
�Patrick Guerriero, Mayor, Melrose Massachusetts and member of Massachusetts House of Representatives, 1993-2001
�Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Commerce, 2005-2009
Article on UK Guardian
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I wouldn't expect any different from Slick Willie. But until just a few years ago I would have never thought Clint Eastwood would do a turn around.
Clint Eastwood, a/k/a Rowdy Yates from 1960's movie series "Rawhide," used to be a tough guy's tough guy. But no more. He's went sweet on us.
Clint Eastwood backs gay marriage
Million Dollar Baby director one of 80 Republicans to sign legal brief calling for legalization of same-sex unions
Clint Eastwood lent his support to the fight for gay marriage, adding his name to a legal brief that calls on the US supreme court to legalise same-sex unions. The Oscar-winning film-maker and actor made an eccentric appearance at last year's Republican national convention, berating an empty chair to the various amusement and bemusement of the gathered dignitaries. He now joins a breakaway group of moderate Republicans that threatens to expose a split within the party.
Partial list of signatories:
�Ken Mehlman, Chairman, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
�Tim Adams, Undersecretary of the Treasury for International Affairs, 2005-2007
�David D. Aufhauser, General Counsel, Department of Treasury, 2001-2003
�Cliff S. Asness, Businessman, Philanthropist, and Author
�John B. Bellinger III, Legal Adviser to the Department of State, 2005-2009
�Katie Biber, General Counsel, Romney for President, 2007-2008 and 2011-2012
�Mary Bono Mack, Member of Congress, 1998-2013
�William A. Burck, Deputy Staff Secretary, Special Counsel and Deputy Counsel to the President, 2005-2009
�Alex Castellanos, Republican Media Advisor
�Paul Cellucci, Governor of Massachusetts, 1997-2001, and Ambassador to Canada, 2001-2005
�Mary Cheney, Director of Vice Presidential Operations, Bush-Cheney 2004
�Jim Cicconi, Assistant to the President & Deputy to the Chief of Staff, 1989-1990
�James B. Comey, United States Deputy Attorney General, 2003-2005
�R. Clarke Cooper, U.S. Alternative Representative, United Nations Security Council, 2007-2009
�Julie Cram, Deputy Assistant to the President and Director White House Office of Public Liaison, 2007-2009
�Michele Davis, Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and Director of Policy Planning, Department of the Treasury, 2006-2009
�Kenneth M. Duberstein, White House Chief of Staff and Assistant to the President, 1981-1984 and 1987-1989
�Lew Eisenberg, Finance Chairman, Republican National Committee, 2002-2004
�Elizabeth Noyer Feld, Public Affairs Specialist, White House Office of Management and Budget, 1984-1987
�David Frum, Special Assistant to the President, 2001-2002
�Richard Galen, Communications Director, Speaker�s Political Office, 1996-1997
�Mark Gerson, Chairman, Gerson Lehrman Group and Author of The Neoconservative Vision: From the Cold War to the Culture Wars and In the Classroom: Dispatches from an Inner-City School that Works
�Benjamin Ginsberg, General Counsel, Bush-Cheney 2000 & 2004
�Adrian Gray, Director of Strategy, Republican National Committee, 2005-2007
�Richard Grenell, Spokesman, U.S. Ambassadors to the United Nations, 2001-2008
�Patrick Guerriero, Mayor, Melrose Massachusetts and member of Massachusetts House of Representatives, 1993-2001
�Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Commerce, 2005-2009
Article on UK Guardian
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Chaneylake
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I thought at Monica was the only one who liked a cigar
Coach
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Clinton said society had changed...my thinking is if it has, it's because of people like him that has changed it.
Actually the only thing that has changed is the fact that we're being carpet bombed with queerness. TV, Movies, pop stars, etc...
The lefts agenda is if you keep talking about it one day it will be accepted.
However, the overwhelming majority of the public is anti-gay. You will just never hear it on the nightly news.
The lefts agenda is if you keep talking about it one day it will be accepted.
However, the overwhelming majority of the public is anti-gay. You will just never hear it on the nightly news.
plinker22
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Exactly. Well said PItC.Pic IN the Casa said:
May the Lord had mercy on us all.
If you don't adhere to God's morality, then the best you can do is shift around with society's "acceptable norms". Isn't there a Bible verse about following shifting stars? You do realize that's a navigational problem, right??
Bottom Hunter
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the best way to test the 'theory" that being gay is a choice is simply to ask any heterosexual person if they could ever understand how two people of the same sex could ever be attracted to each other and if they, themselves, could ever imagine themselves doing so. 100% of them would probably say ,"NO".
Sure, homosexuals "choose" to be with people of the same sex, but, their attraction to them is not a choice.
We, as newborns, do not have a choice as to what color our hair is, what body type we have or what family we are born into.
Being attracted to someone is often unexplanable, even when that someone is of the opposite sex.
Being attracted to someone is like having a taste for certain foods. Some here like certain foods that others don't. Did you CHOOSE to like the taste of a certain food or did it just come natural?
Where I understand what the Bible says about homosexuality and also about the anger that religious people have toward homosexuality, I do not understand how any person would simply CHOOSE to be gay , knowing what they are going up against. many times, they go against family and friends are many times outcasted in school, at work and at their church....
The only explanation that I have is that they are gay, not by choice because why would anyone choose to be ridiculed and frowned upon by everyone they love and even by God, according to the Bible, but instead by natural selection. For whatever reason, God creatures humans with both sexual organs, no limbs, and many other oddities of nature. Simply meaning that if God gives everyone of us life, then birth is a natural and beautiful thing and a creation of God, right... then why does God create people with a physical attraction for the same sex? I have no answers, just that God made homosexuals with this attraction.
There is no other explanation for it.
Sure, maybe no one has ever found the ever popular GAY gene that religious groups seem to hang on to, but scientists still don't know what causes many deformaties and illnesses......so maybe being attracted to someone of the same sex is not genetic in nature.....
May I remind you that God didn't write the Bible , man did. maybe all the RULES we live by everyday were a product of man and not God at all...who really knows?
If God indeed gives every living creature life, and there is no scientific reasoning behind being gay, then maybe we are not supposed to understand it and just have faith that God has a plan for each and every one of us, even people that are born gay who are simply trying to live their lives as they feel they are intended to.
I guestion many things about what i see, but being gay is not really one of them because I believe that being gay is no more a choice than my insatuable fondness for ice cream...
thanks
Sure, homosexuals "choose" to be with people of the same sex, but, their attraction to them is not a choice.
We, as newborns, do not have a choice as to what color our hair is, what body type we have or what family we are born into.
Being attracted to someone is often unexplanable, even when that someone is of the opposite sex.
Being attracted to someone is like having a taste for certain foods. Some here like certain foods that others don't. Did you CHOOSE to like the taste of a certain food or did it just come natural?
Where I understand what the Bible says about homosexuality and also about the anger that religious people have toward homosexuality, I do not understand how any person would simply CHOOSE to be gay , knowing what they are going up against. many times, they go against family and friends are many times outcasted in school, at work and at their church....
The only explanation that I have is that they are gay, not by choice because why would anyone choose to be ridiculed and frowned upon by everyone they love and even by God, according to the Bible, but instead by natural selection. For whatever reason, God creatures humans with both sexual organs, no limbs, and many other oddities of nature. Simply meaning that if God gives everyone of us life, then birth is a natural and beautiful thing and a creation of God, right... then why does God create people with a physical attraction for the same sex? I have no answers, just that God made homosexuals with this attraction.
There is no other explanation for it.
Sure, maybe no one has ever found the ever popular GAY gene that religious groups seem to hang on to, but scientists still don't know what causes many deformaties and illnesses......so maybe being attracted to someone of the same sex is not genetic in nature.....
May I remind you that God didn't write the Bible , man did. maybe all the RULES we live by everyday were a product of man and not God at all...who really knows?
If God indeed gives every living creature life, and there is no scientific reasoning behind being gay, then maybe we are not supposed to understand it and just have faith that God has a plan for each and every one of us, even people that are born gay who are simply trying to live their lives as they feel they are intended to.
I guestion many things about what i see, but being gay is not really one of them because I believe that being gay is no more a choice than my insatuable fondness for ice cream...
thanks
When Bill said "I changed positions on Homosexuals", it had nothing to do with his opinion
Bottom Hunter said:
Maybe being gay is something they are born with and ONLY God truly knows, however maybe alcoholics are born as such, thieves, gangsters, rapists, murderers are all born as such as well - for all we know yet, at the end of the day A Sin is A Sin. Should they be accepted in society and allowed in a Church - absolutely as they are children of God however should we as a country Support and Promote A Sinful act as OK.....? Nope - absolutely the type of thinking that is destroying the very fiber of this nation as we type.
BH , we all have choices. You have the choice to eat ice cream at every meal if you want, and suffer the consequences . You have the choice of doing good or evil everyday . I enjoy looking at a pretty woman , I have the choice of choosing to try and smoke her cigar or do the right thing and walk away.
Your gays have a choice , they are just making the wrong one.
Maybe ol Clint is getting too old to handle a woman maybe he needs a gentle man. Gays can choose their way straight to hell , just don't flaunt it in front of me and expect approval nor understanding .
Your gays have a choice , they are just making the wrong one.
Maybe ol Clint is getting too old to handle a woman maybe he needs a gentle man. Gays can choose their way straight to hell , just don't flaunt it in front of me and expect approval nor understanding .
Woodchuck
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SALTMAN said:
I think you're missing the whole point of what BH wrote. He was explaining why gay people really have no choice. That is how they're born and that's the way they'll live their lives.
By the way BH that was one of the best and most well thought out explanations that I've ever read on this topic. Nice job.
TennesseeRains
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Well - in June of this year, 9 people out of over 300 million will dictate that gay marriage is 'legal' across the land.
The Supreme Court is going to take up this issue and will rule in favor of gay marriage....just like they did with abortion.
The Supreme Court is going to take up this issue and will rule in favor of gay marriage....just like they did with abortion.
Maybe pedophiles are born that way. Maybe Psychopaths and mass murderers are born that way.
Just because you are born with or have a natural tendency to a specific behavior is not an excuse to act on that urge.
Most of us have a tendency to like cars, tree stands and guns that are newer or nicer than the one's we own. We DO NOT steal other's people's possessions and then say "Well, God made me this way".
There is sin everywhere. It's our responsibility to avoid temptation and do right.
We all have our apples to avoid. Some people's apples are just in places most of us would not want to bite anyway.
Just because you are born with or have a natural tendency to a specific behavior is not an excuse to act on that urge.
Most of us have a tendency to like cars, tree stands and guns that are newer or nicer than the one's we own. We DO NOT steal other's people's possessions and then say "Well, God made me this way".
There is sin everywhere. It's our responsibility to avoid temptation and do right.
We all have our apples to avoid. Some people's apples are just in places most of us would not want to bite anyway.
I love it when libs try to use the word of God to push their agenda. Only to defile Him when the next topic comes around.
You either believe the word of GOD or you don't.
You either believe the word of GOD or you don't.
preds1
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Son and I were watching TV last week when this commercial came on:
http://youtu.be/AnmDlk6F3d0
I don't care what people do in their home.
But I'd just prefer they leave the rest of us out of it.
http://youtu.be/AnmDlk6F3d0
I don't care what people do in their home.
But I'd just prefer they leave the rest of us out of it.
preds1 said:
Nope, I dont' miss having TV piped into my home. Going on two years now without homosexual, anti-gun and anti-Christian, Socialist propaganda.
TheLBLman
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Did you hear the latest from Slick Willie?
"Your Honor, I did not do it with THAT man. Well it depends on what the definition of it is. All I did was smoke his cigar."
"Your Honor, I did not do it with THAT man. Well it depends on what the definition of it is. All I did was smoke his cigar."
