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The Trump lawyers should have released some redacted affidavits at the press conference.
If they have as many as they claim, then they should have figured out a way to remove identifying information so that relevant excerpts could be released to the press.
The PA Federal judge cancelled an evidentiary hearing and may dismiss the case entirely even though team Trump claims they're holding a bag full of evidence.
Where and when will any of the statements be used?
By not releasing any new evidence at the press conference, the allegations didn't make front page news and invited more skepticism.
Let's hope that the press conference wasn't an elaborate dog & pony show.

Better yet, why doesn't Trump hold a press conference and read some of the affidavits to the entire nation as a way to explain why he is holding out on the Biden transition?
Why should it be left up to Giuliani to convince the press?
Since Trump knows how to defend himself and the Constitution, then why isn't he?
The media is ripping him apart, what's he waiting for?

Giuliani also said that if he were in the gov't,, that he would have already made arrests.
That he had enough proof to justify doing that and to obtain subpoenas and convictions.
Then where are the gov't officials that should be doing just that?
Are all of the GOP state office holders asleep at the switch?
Why doesn't Giuliani share any of the evidence with state or Federal law enforcement?
 
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I think those are good questions, and any answer to them would be speculation. Let’s remember...Hillary and Comey are not in jail or even charged with their crimes.
 

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The Trump lawyers should have released some redacted affidavits at the press conference.
If they have as many as they claim, then they should have figured out a way to remove identifying information so that relevant excerpts could be released to the press.
The PA Federal judge cancelled an evidentiary hearing and may dismiss the case entirely even though team Trump claims they're holding a bag full of evidence.
Where and when will any of the statements be used?
By not releasing any new evidence at the press conference, the allegations didn't make front page news and invited more skepticism.
Let's hope that the press conference wasn't an elaborate dog & pony show.

Better yet, why doesn't Trump hold a press conference and read some of the affidavits to the entire nation as a way to explain why he is holding out on the Biden transition?
Why should it be left up to Giuliani to convince the press?
Since Trump knows how to defend himself and the Constitution, then why isn't he?
The media is ripping him apart, what's he waiting for?

Giuliani also said that if he were in the gov't,, that he would have already made arrests.
That he had enough proof to justify doing that and to obtain subpoenas and convictions.
Then where are the gov't officials that should be doing just that?
Are all of the GOP state office holders asleep at the switch?
Why doesn't Giuliani share any of the evidence with state or Federal law enforcement?
Have you ever worked with a lawyer???

No matter what the subject or case might be, the very first thing he/she tells you is to shut up and do NOT say anything. Let them do all the talking. Knowing Trump every one of those lawyers will NOT allow anything to be said until their day in court. They will put out as much or as little to the public as they want. The odds are they do NOT want to put ANYTHING out to the public at all but this is an election and they had to show a liottle.

All my life making business deals and talking to my lawyer and CPA they both told me EVERY TIME not to talk about it until AFTER they were done and everything went through. They were right every time.
 

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Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), who is close to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), on Friday issued a statement asserting Biden “has a very good chance” of being the next president and urging the administration “to provide the Biden team with all transition materials, resources, and meetings necessary to ensure a smooth transition.”

Alexander, the chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, emphasized the importance of the next president being ready to distribute an anticipated COVID-19 vaccine.

“The prompt and orderly transfer or reaffirmation of immense power after a presidential election is the most enduring symbol of our democracy,” he said.

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Former Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called on GOP senators not to stand idly by as Trump makes “reckless” claims about the integrity of the election.

“Republicans have an obligation when the subject is of such importance to challenge demagoguery and patently false statements,” he said.

 

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Trump camp fundraises off Giuliani press conference

....Most of the money raised from the the email will not be allocated cover legal expenses. In the fine print of the fundraising page, 75 percent of the money goes to Trump's leadership PAC, Save America. The rest of the funds will go to the Republican National Committee’s operating account, its political fund.

The PAC has been the primary recipient of most of the fundraising efforts instead of the campaign. The leadership PAC can fund staff and travel and be directed to donations to other political candidates.

The heads of such groups are also legally allowed to use the funds raised for personal expenses.

 

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Trump camp fundraises off Giuliani press conference

....Most of the money raised from the the email will not be allocated cover legal expenses. In the fine print of the fundraising page, 75 percent of the money goes to Trump's leadership PAC, Save America. The rest of the funds will go to the Republican National Committee’s operating account, its political fund.

The PAC has been the primary recipient of most of the fundraising efforts instead of the campaign. The leadership PAC can fund staff and travel and be directed to donations to other political candidates.

The heads of such groups are also legally allowed to use the funds raised for personal expenses.

Connecticut, that's a blue state isn't it.
 

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Connecticut, that's a blue state isn't it.

Yes, about 60% to 40% split in the last 2 Presidential elections.
New England overall has hardly any GOP office holders at the Federal level, although a lot of people split their votes at the local and state level.
All the Federal Republicans that get elected in New England are moderates.
Senator Susan Collins of Maine is probably the only one from New England.

A funny fact is that Paul Manafort is from my hometown and his father was a long time GOP mayor of a Democrat city.
Manafort was one of Trump's campaign managers that was sentenced to prison for tax evasion.
He was a big time DC lobbyist & power broker along with Roger Stone, another Trump ally who went to prison.

CT's last GOP US Senator of 18 years ended up becoming an Independent Governor. --->>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowell_Weicker
One of our last GOP Congresswomen lived in my hometown and served from 1983 - 2007 before redistricting.
She was ousted by the Obama wave. --->>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Johnson
Prescott Bush was a CT GOP US Senator who was the patriarch of the Bush Presidents. --->>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Political_life
Joe Lieberman was a conservative Democrat CT US Senator who was Al Gore's VP running mate. --->>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Political_life
 
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Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), who is close to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), on Friday issued a statement asserting Biden “has a very good chance” of being the next president and urging the administration “to provide the Biden team with all transition materials, resources, and meetings necessary to ensure a smooth transition.”

Alexander, the chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, emphasized the importance of the next president being ready to distribute an anticipated COVID-19 vaccine.

“The prompt and orderly transfer or reaffirmation of immense power after a presidential election is the most enduring symbol of our democracy,” he said.

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Former Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called on GOP senators not to stand idly by as Trump makes “reckless” claims about the integrity of the election.

“Republicans have an obligation when the subject is of such importance to challenge demagoguery and patently false statements,” he said.

Good ol' Lamar... TN's answer to Mitt Romney. It's people like those two (and many other career GOP'ers) that sold us out. On judgement day their sins of cowering to the left will surely be questioned.
 

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lamer needs to learn the law. The transition statute states that the election has to be certified - and it has not been.

Refresher for the RINO crowd - the media(D) has no power to certify anything and ARE the enemy of honest people.
 

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Good ol' Lamar... TN's answer to Mitt Romney. It's people like those two (and many other career GOP'ers) that sold us out. On judgement day their sins of cowering to the left will surely be questioned.

I can't stand Mitt.
As the Governor of Massachusetts he passed the state model for Obamacare.
When it went to the US Senate , Dem. Sen. Joe Lieberman said he wouldn't vote for it unless it was privatized instead of a single payer system.
And then the deciding vote to break the tie in the Senate was cast by GOP Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine.
She voted to enact Obamacare.
 

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IMHO it doesn't look very promising for Trump to come back to run again in 4 years if he loses this election.
What is happening right now with his election challenges are either going to make or break his political future.
The only President to ever serve 2 non-consecutive terms was Democrat Grover Cleveland.
He was a lot younger than Trump being first elected POTUS at the age of 46, serving as the 22nd and 24th POTUS in the late 1800's.

If Trump doesn't prevail in this election he could play a role over the next 4 years, but I would expect Pence to be a possible front runner along with a field of other candidates.
Voters and the party establishment can be very fickle, especially with the Trump family & name becoming so polarizing as to cause this huge media backlash that;'s lasted for 4 years.
People would just love to hate and blame a scapegoat for covid and other societal ills, and this stalled transition is just more potential baggage.
I believe that for Trump, his second term as POTUS is now or never.
That's why it's vitally important to deliver the election fraud evidence ASAP so that the public, state legislatures and other prominent Republicans can get on board, or else the GOP will start to split over it.
 
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So state suits have been baseless (that’s obvious) and nothing more than a delay to allow Sydney time to do her thing - this juggernaut of the legal world, who’s most notable contribution to the world is probably defending Enron execs. Noble.

I honestly am very interested to see what she has. Regardless, we’ll see a checkmate with this game of 3D Chess soon.
 

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Does anybody understand that a case or cases, to move up to the Supreme Court, they have to appeal to a higher court each time as it moves through the system? The Supreme Court has the LAST FINAL say.

In a case, BOTH sides either win or lose in any given lower court and each WILL appeal the case.

If people will remember Bush's team lost a few times in court in 2000 before winning in the Supreme Court.

We all know the Supreme Court will have the final say here.
 

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Because of the PA Federal Court dismissal, PA GOP Senator Pat Toomey is now calling for the transition to go forward.
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Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey, a Republican who announced earlier this year that he will not run for reelection in 2022, said the ruling by a "longtime conservative Republican" judge, plus other recent legal setbacks for the Trump campaign, marked the beginning of a new administration.

“President Trump has exhausted all plausible legal options to challenge the result of the presidential race in Pennsylvania," Toomey said in a statement. "To ensure that he is remembered for these outstanding accomplishments, President Trump should accept the outcome of the election and facilitate the presidential transition process."

 

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Does anybody understand that a case or cases, to move up to the Supreme Court, they have to appeal to a higher court each time as it moves through the system? The Supreme Court has the LAST FINAL say.

In a case, BOTH sides either win or lose in any given lower court and each WILL appeal the case.

If people will remember Bush's team lost a few times in court in 2000 before winning in the Supreme Court.

We all know the Supreme Court will have the final say here.
If the Supreme Court not taking a case includes final say, then I’ll agree.
 

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If the Supreme Court not taking a case includes final say, then I’ll agree.

If the Supreme Court does not take a case then it lets lower courts ruling stand. BUT then it can rule on another case on the SAME SUBJECT. If there are several cases in different states then the SC could if it wants to make a ruling over the whole mess or one case at a time. If it takes the case and rules on it one way or the other that's the final say no matter the outcome.
 

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