6.5 Creedmoor

[TX300mag]

You are correct sir.
What it is a new cartridge that's being pushed by every gun manufacturer and cartridge maker.
New products are what keeps the industry going.
Years ago you had to have a light on your pistol.
After the lights died down it was lasers. Just had to have a laser on your carry gun.
Now its silencers and breaks. Just had to have one on every pistol.
Rifles? 1st it was synthetic stocks. Then speed. You just had to shoot at least 3,500 fps or your rifle just wasn't good enough.
Then came the silencers. Really? Who wants to lug one of those things around while hunting?
Now its the 6.5. Whats next the 6.5 improved?
New products. Its what makes the world go round. No matter if its guns, automobiles or booze.

No the new 6mm cm !!

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Creedmost?

In the early 90s it was the 7" magnum 4ga waterfowl widowmaker. It just wasn't on the interwebs to have the virtues extolled sufficiently.


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[lapuafan]

Statement #1 is ah well I'll leave it there. 7 08. 308, 243. Same case differ bullet, 270 , 3006, same case differ bullet. But why not drop the 2506 in there ? And my question to you sir if all the s/a you just named why is it I don't see any them in competing ? And comparing a 270 and 3006 in the same category I'll take 270 any day. Now for your 800 yards do you know the drop of a 243 or 7 08 at 800 ? Hope you have a good scope with a lot of adjustment. But the 6.5 6mm cm, 6.5x47, and yes 2506 are your calibers you see in action. And the long action 300 win making heavy come back, but me I like the 338 lapua I know it bucks the wind and will not start tumbling when it hits transonic . So that's just a Lil of my experience.

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I think he addressed that in statement #1. As for 26-06, I think he was just giving a general list of possible cartridges commonly used by hunters and left that out. That was my take.

Statement #1: It's such a flat-shooting cartridge that you don't need to hold over for hundreds of yards - Truth of the matter is it's no flatter shooting of a round than a 7-08, 308, 243, 270, 30-06, etc (actually a little LESS flat shooting) out to well past most distances that any sane person without specialized equipment, training, and/or time to practice should be shooting. At around 800+ yards it starts to get a little bit ahead of those rounds, but, really...?

As long as you are mentioning competition shooting, don't forget the 6.5-284. Its a little flatter shooter than the 6.5cm, isn't it?

Well the cm is around 3000, 270 around 3000, and the 3006 with 165 is around 2800. You will not know the difference out to 300 yards is where the 6.5 takes over.

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[EastTNHunter]

I'm seeing MVs of 2700fps for 140s, 2820 for 129s, and 2920 for 120s on the Hornady website. My 30-06 shoots 165s at 2950fps with RL17, and 180s at 2875fps with RL26. 270 shoots 130s at 3100, 140s at 3000, and 150s at 2900fps... and 100+ fps faster with modern powders if you handload.

Those all have varying BCs, but believe it or not, the heavier 270s and 30-06s are really close to a lot of the 6.5s, and better than the light 6.5s.

As has been mentioned, I picked random popular cartridges to make my point, but even a 25-06 or 7mag don't shoot substantially flatter than 308 or 30-06 at reasonable hunting distances. The 800 yard comment was hyperbole, but really not much. And if you look at most ballistics tables it will be closer to 400+ yards before just about any cartridge will show a difference, and most people should not be shooting animals at that distance; if they do they will have to know their dope, regardless, and flat shooting then becomes somewhat irrelevant.

I wasn't hating on the cartridge, nor was I calling anything flatter, but many will claim that the 6.5x47 is a better cartridge without the media machine. The 6.5-284 even flatter, as has been mentioned. Once again, I think that the Creedmoor is a neat cartridge, just not superior as it has been marketed.

 

[TN Song Dog]

Funny for sure. Curious what you guys think... why does "CREEDMOOR" really upset so many people? Some joke about it, but some folks seriously have hurt feelings because of it... I don't see the big deal, I guess.

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Name me one cartridge that has the bc and flatter shooter ?

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To clarify, I don't see a big reason to hate on it so much. I think it's an awesome round. Super affordable, even for match grade ammo. If you buy bulk, you can get Hornady 140gr ELD-M for a little over $1.00 per. I also think it's a great multi-purpose caliber, and soft recoiling. Not a lot to be upset about here.

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[TN Song Dog]

I'm seeing MVs of 2700fps for 140s, 2820 for 129s, and 2920 for 120s on the Hornady website. My 30-06 shoots 165s at 2950fps with RL17, and 180s at 2875fps with RL26. 270 shoots 130s at 3100, 140s at 3000, and 150s at 2900fps... and 100+ fps faster with modern powders if you handload.

Those all have varying BCs, but believe it or not, the heavier 270s and 30-06s are really close to a lot of the 6.5s, and better than the light 6.5s.

As has been mentioned, I picked random popular cartridges to make my point, but even a 25-06 or 7mag don't shoot substantially flatter than 308 or 30-06 at reasonable hunting distances. The 800 yard comment was hyperbole, but really not much. And if you look at most ballistics tables it will be closer to 400+ yards before just about any cartridge will show a difference, and most people should not be shooting animals at that distance; if they do they will have to know their dope, regardless, and flat shooting then becomes somewhat irrelevant.

I wasn't hating on the cartridge, nor was I calling anything flatter, but many will claim that the 6.5x47 is a better cartridge without the media machine. The 6.5-284 even flatter, as has been mentioned. Once again, I think that the Creedmoor is a neat cartridge, just not superior as it has been marketed.

I didn't think your post was hating on it, and you mention some good points. Additional things to consider here, though: 6.5x47 and 6.5x284 are significantly more expensive for loaded ammo, and there are way fewer factory ammo choices available. Lapua had about 4. The Norma has about 8. Thats super important if you dont reload or have time to learn and start. Although they are balistically similar or superior, there are also way fewer factory rifles offered in those calibers. You'd be hard pressed to find a similarly capable and soft recoiling long range caliber with more affordable loaded match grade ammo and factory rifles available.

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[EastTNHunter]

I think that cheap, high quality factory ammo has definitely stoked the fire of the Creedmoor popularity. I don't know if it will always be that way, but is definitely a major factor right now

 

[lapuafan]

Yes, 2000 meters, not yards. Idjits

Lol don't hurt some of the egos lol

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[infoman jr.]

Not much surprise there.

 

[lapuafan]

Not much surprise there.

That's kinda hard to believe on 338 lapua

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[lungpuncher1]

Not really. Most people buying Christensen arms rifles are looking for lightweight hunting rifles. A 338 lapua is more a want than a need when it comes to hunting.

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[mr.big]

Not really. Most people buying Christensen arms rifles are looking for lightweight hunting rifles. A 338 lapua is more a want than a need when it comes to hunting.

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its more of a want than a need for anything inside 1,000 yards,,there are plenty of lighter rounds that you can shoot just as well to 1,000 yards and some farther,,it isnt until you get way out there that the 338 really shows off,,unless you actually are gonna shoot elk or something at 8-900 yards,,

 

[lapuafan]

Not much surprise there.

That's kinda hard to believe on 338 lapua

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What I said... cause I know several that has the elr

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