$50K a year isn’t enough to live on

DaveTN

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Don't forget all the mouthy kids they have to deal with because the parents are absolute trash and don't teach manners or discipline their kids.
My daughter was a teacher. It was the above plus the doctors keeping them doped up that made her quit. She couldn't do anything about it, so she became a Probation Officer.

She thought she wanted to be a Juvenile Probation Officer so she could help. I told her, no you don't because it's rare to be able to help a kid that has bad parents. She is in adult probation is glad she didn't go the juvenile route.
 

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Don't forget they have to buy most of their classroom supplies out of their own pockets because the school doesn't supply anything. Don't forget about the weeks during the summer where they are back and forth to their classrooms to paint, clean, lesson plan, meetings, etc. Don't forget about taking work home to grade papers etc during those fall and spring "breaks". Don't forget all the mouthy kids they have to deal with because the parents are absolute trash and don't teach manners or discipline their kids. How much would you do that job for?
Dont forget they all know the pay, the requirements,hoorible kids and parents, so dont act like its a surprise. Thats what they chose to do for same as anyone else with their chosen field of work
 

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Depends on your perspective. Single with no family? Barely. Supporting a family on that, not anymore. Break it down:

$50,000 per year / 26 paychecks per year = $1,923 per paycheck. You contribute the average 5% to your company 401(k), knocks it down to $1,826.85.
Say your health insurance rate is $150 per paycheck (not outlandish in today's market), you're down to $1,676.85
Now tax that at a modest 10% FICA rate, you're now taking home $1,509 per paycheck, which translates to $39,238 annual take home

Bills:
Assuming you rent, you're lucky to find rent less than $1,200 per month. $14,400/ year, so after your housing, your takehome is $24,838 per year.

I dare you to reasonably spend less than $100 per week on groceries for one person. Take home is $19,638 per year.

Assume a paid-for car. Insurance on a modest car and a safe driver should be about $1,200 per six months. Take home is now $17,238

Fuel to drive that car. $50 per week. Down to $14,638.

So, you are saving for retirement. You are paying for health insurance. You're fortunate enough to have a bought and paid for vehicle. You drive to and from a modest apartment. And you are frugally spending money to eat at home every night and buying cheap groceries. If your utilities are covered by your apartment complex at $1,200 per month, you're probably lucky.

So, you're single and responsible only for your yourself. You've bought the bare necessities of life. Food, housing, health care, and transportation. After all that (modestly figured, by the way), you have $281.50 and absolutely zero debt, zero frivolous expenses, and zero costs. Cell phone bill? $100 per month. You now have $258 per week to spend on LITERALLY everything else. Eat a $20 dinner once a week somewhere that's not fast food? What about rainy day savings? Peel off $50 per week, and that'll put $2,600 a year in the bank for yourself on a rainy day.

That $150 health insurance premium buys a crappy high-deductible plan. Your company covers the first $1000 of it, but many folks have over $3000 a year in simple health care usage costs.

In Memphis, many folks saw $350 utility bills over the summer. Average utility payment to about $200 per month, you now have $200 a week to have a hobby, eat occasionally at a restaurant, pay a doctor, save for vacation, set aside money for car repairs, set aside money for a modest used car one of these days.
I always lived with roommates, and I always was able to live in a house. No $1200 a month on rent from my pocket. If a person starting out wants to save up a house payment, split rent with roommates and make it work.
 

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I just smiled when I saw them change the vending machines to Credit/Debit cards. Heck of a pay increase for someone. :)
When my sons were in high school, they used to pi$$ away chunks of their paycheck on soda and candy, using their debit card in the machines where they worked. Couldn’t be bothered to plan ahead and bring it from home.
 

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Sorry but I agree with Pilard and what he posted.

Yes, some companies did buy back stock. When a business sells the stock they are raising capital to operate with, in turn, they are selling a part of the business. ANYTIME a business can buy back its stock they are stronger with LESS outside influence. They can go to the banks much stronger than before, to their suppliers they are a stronger company, and all the other people they do business with know that. the same thing with anything they do. NOT every business gave their CEO a raise.

Cabela's. All the family and others wanted to do was retire and give the business to others to keep it going. One of the major shareholders a hedge fund run by Paul Singer FORCED them to sell out to Bass Pro Shops. That hedge fund made a $90 million profit.

Had Cabela's been able to "buy back their stock" that hedge fund would not have been strong enough to force the sale.

Twitter. Everybody knows the story of Elon Musk, a major shareholder, and what he was able to do.

One of those two businesses thought everybody was good and fair and the other one was greedy lying about how much business and followers they really did.
You can agree with him, does not make you right or wrong. I disagree with both of you, and that's awesome. that's why we have free thought.

I am pumped to see corporations get taxed more, I really hope it happens after Trump era tax cuts go bye bye. Massive companies used the pandemic to increase costs on us at excuse of a supply chain.

A massive amount of corporations have record profits for 2021 and now for 2022. Should not be happening if everything is supposedly so bad economically. they would have raised prices and there profits would have remained stable or slightly gone down, but nope, their net profits are UP UP. Looks like 2023 is seeing a reversion (just saw apple earnings: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016). Good. Suffer with us.

Yet employees are still not getting raises; federal minimum wage is trash. Time to reverse the tax cuts on corporations. Keep taxes low on businesses of 150 employees or less. But for da big boys, get em.

for people (not corporations), tax code needs major revisions:
-Tax everyone making under 500k at a 15% bracket or less.
-At 500k tax at 18% up until 1 million gross salary.
-at 1 million-10 million gross bump to 25%
-at 10 million or more gross bump to 28%
-50 mill or more gross- go to 32%
-100 mill or more gross go to 35%

-Stop capital gains tax on short term at ordinary income (switch to 10% maximum on all SHORT TERM GAINS)
-Long term gains- No taxes at all.

-Corporations- 30%.

-Democrats have one thing right, tax corporations more. What they have wrong is "tax the rich"; they think rich is 500k a year, which is a LIE.

-From the state of union, only smart thing Biden said was going after big pharma on insulin. FINALLY. about time. kick those greedy scumbags to the CURB. good to see bipartisan support on that matter as well.

Otherwise, Biden going after "assault rifles" was goofy and the republicans want to cancel Social security quips were goofy.
 

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The national debt doubled under W from the founding of the country, which seemed unbelievable, but every administration since has closely done the same. Spending recklessly is an understatement and causing massive inflation.

A private health care policy used to be about the same as an electric bill, but now for a couple it would be half of that 50k without a benefit plan from work. More than most mortgages. They don’t care about us, only beholding to those that got them in office and a global agenda! 50k used to be something that many bought their homes with, but now won’t buy a place at all or one not safe to live in.
Yep, faulty intelligence and his pride lead the USA to a war where too much was spent and here we are again doin the same ISH in Ukraine. Really Biden? as biden would say: COME ON MAN!
 

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For teachers, Giles County starts nowhere near $50k a year.
A teacher with a Masters and 20 years experience is in the $50k a year range.
Yikes, being a teacher 50k after 20 YEARS? HOLY heck, that is foolish to stay in that profession if the returns are that horrible. someone must have to love it or just need the cash to do that considering you can make equal at a big box store doing nothing. OR heck, a bucees
 

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I know there are people reading this right now that are living in 400K + homes for a mortgage of around 2K. ,,,that are driving a 80K+ Truck Wife drives a 50+ Plus SUV. You have two kids in Private Schools that are taxing you for over 50K a year.

UNREAL !
Now wait a minute, you just said in your post above this one you have a 500k home (that appreciated from 105k in the mid 90s). then you go after people in 400k homes....didn't you just say you would have trouble buying your house at 400-500k? So why are you going after someone who HAD to buy a home in the current market for 400-500k (there are no 105k homes now a days that you can live in)?

Your line of reasoning is confusing; you went from being understanding to saying they are doing something wrong.....interesting.
 

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Yep, faulty intelligence and his pride lead the USA to a war where too much was spent and here we are again doin the same ISH in Ukraine. Really Biden? as biden would say: COME ON MAN!
Plus the near collapse of the entire financial system that lead to QE forever, the creation of Homeland Security to take away our freedoms, and the massive outsourcing of jobs to H-1B visas. What a RINO he was.
 

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-Stop capital gains tax on short term at ordinary income (switch to 10% maximum on all SHORT TERM GAINS)
-Long term gains- No taxes at all.
I would love to see the national sales tax replace all income, inheritance, etc. taxes.

Don't tax it until it gets spent. Let people save for retirement without capital gains taxes AND get some tax money from all of the under the table cash payments.
 

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Like TNTreeman, my wife was a teacher until we started a family. I would tease her when she would complain about her income telling her "You only work half a year and are done at work by 3pm everyday." It would infuriate her but there was some truth to my statement.

$50K is a great starting salary. The problem is that the way we pay teachers gives them minimal pay increases each year and they can work their whole career and never get above $65K.

If my son tells me he wants to be a teacher when he grows up, I will refuse to pay for his college. The math doesn't work to pay that much to earn a degree that limits your earning potential if you stay in the field you studied.
Your statement "$50k is a great starting salary" is factually false. Some data:
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Since 2015, it has barely gone up, reportedly it is now:
-The average college graduate starting salary is around $55,260.
source: https://www.bankrate.com/loans/student-loans/average-college-graduate-salary/


If we go from 2015, the 50k salary now should be starting at $61,737:
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So 50k starting in 2023 is actual trash. In fact, look at the first graph, the average starting in 2010 was 50k. It has bumped 5k average to 55k over course of 13 years; average salary in 13 years only gone up by 10% LOL.
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Rent average in 1 year gone up 8% alone nationally. So your statement is factually false. Here is inflation for december 2022 LOL.

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Not sure one can stand by that statement that 50k is a good starting salary, perhaps if we are still living on 2010, then yes.

a 2% raise on 50k salary from 2010 would still be more than the median salary of 55,260. So folks are not even getting a 2% raise a year. SAD
 

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People Smoking are spending $400 a month on that habit. Its a freakin Car Payment. I don't get it.

I won't spend $5 on a cup of Coffee. NOPE. Only if its in a Airport and Im trapped into buying it. If I am on the road I have little spots between here and the farm I can stop at and refill my Yeti Knock off cup for .99 cents that is pretty good Joe.

I Brew at home now. Whole Bean in a coffee maker that Grinds and Brews. Less than $1.00 a cup depending on what I buy. Been buying Death Wish as of late and its a bit on the Expensive side but I bought a 5LB bag on Amazon and it was like getting 1LB for free. So score!
There is not a single stand alone coffee place outside of airports that charges $5 for a standard black coffee, even the largest size. $5 is for the FU FU drinks. most expensive black coffee at starbucks in $3.50 plus tax.

-Death wish is incredible coffee. along with 3 peckered billy goat.
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Got my teaching degree in 1967 and pay was too low then to support a family. So I found other employment. I bought first house in 1969. I made $10,000 a year and felt like it was a good living. Paid 17,900 for that house, paying $110 a month and mighty worried about where all that money would come from. Point is teaching has never been well paid and you need enough money to buy a house when you are young
I have never heard of such an amazing income to home purchase price ratio. you made 10k but the house 17.9k? Not even 2x your income. the average home today is 7x median income (55k median salary times 7 is 330k). something off there isn't it?

That means on 100k salary you bought a nice home for 179,000k. that is amazing.

On a 50k yearly salary, that would be a 89,500k home today. Sign me up? what part of the country are income to home price ratios as good as 1969? this is great.

current median home prices nationally; and there is folks out there saying "home prices are crashing" HA HA HA:
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source: https://www.grid.news/story/economy...lling-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyre-affordable/
 

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Sounds like our friend has bought into the evil greedy business owner narrative.
Correction Spur: Sounds like our friend has bought into the evil greedy CORPORATION narrative.

small family businesses actually get shafted and pay taxes. they employee people just like corporations, they take out risk too. so why do they pay tax but many corporations do not? risk is risk.
 

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You can agree with him, does not make you right or wrong. I disagree with both of you, and that's awesome. that's why we have free thought.

I am pumped to see corporations get taxed more, I really hope it happens after Trump era tax cuts go bye bye. Massive companies used the pandemic to increase costs on us at excuse of a supply chain.

A massive amount of corporations have record profits for 2021 and now for 2022. Should not be happening if everything is supposedly so bad economically. they would have raised prices and there profits would have remained stable or slightly gone down, but nope, their net profits are UP UP. Looks like 2023 is seeing a reversion (just saw apple earnings: Apple sales drop 5% in largest quarterly revenue decline since 2016). Good. Suffer with us.

Yet employees are still not getting raises; federal minimum wage is trash. Time to reverse the tax cuts on corporations. Keep taxes low on businesses of 150 employees or less. But for da big boys, get em.

for people (not corporations), tax code needs major revisions:
-Tax everyone making under 500k at a 15% bracket or less.
-At 500k tax at 18% up until 1 million gross salary.
-at 1 million-10 million gross bump to 25%
-at 10 million or more gross bump to 28%
-50 mill or more gross- go to 32%
-100 mill or more gross go to 35%

-Stop capital gains tax on short term at ordinary income (switch to 10% maximum on all SHORT TERM GAINS)
-Long term gains- No taxes at all.

-Corporations- 30%.

-Democrats have one thing right, tax corporations more. What they have wrong is "tax the rich"; they think rich is 500k a year, which is a LIE.

-From the state of union, only smart thing Biden said was going after big pharma on insulin. FINALLY. about time. kick those greedy scumbags to the CURB. good to see bipartisan support on that matter as well.

Otherwise, Biden going after "assault rifles" was goofy and the republicans want to cancel Social security quips were goofy.
You are leaving out something very important.

Raise taxes and anything else on corporations then TWO things will happen.

Prices WILL go up.

The companies WILL tighten their belts, the highest cost of running a business, ANY business, is PAYROLL. To tighten belts they WILL lay off workers, the very same workers that are trying to make a living. Now they are out of a job AND have to pay higher prices for the same things.

This s not a theory, it's historical FACT. Everybody can simply ask their boss.
 

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Your statement "$50k is a great starting salary" is factually false. Some data:
View attachment 167465

Since 2015, it has barely gone up, reportedly it is now:
-The average college graduate starting salary is around $55,260.
source: https://www.bankrate.com/loans/student-loans/average-college-graduate-salary/


If we go from 2015, the 50k salary now should be starting at $61,737:
View attachment 167466

So 50k starting in 2023 is actual trash. In fact, look at the first graph, the average starting in 2010 was 50k. It has bumped 5k average to 55k over course of 13 years; average salary in 13 years only gone up by 10% LOL.
View attachment 167467

Rent average in 1 year gone up 8% alone nationally. So your statement is factually false. Here is inflation for december 2022 LOL.

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Not sure one can stand by that statement that 50k is a good starting salary, perhaps if we are still living on 2010, then yes.

a 2% raise on 50k salary from 2010 would still be more than the median salary of 55,260. So folks are not even getting a 2% raise a year. SAD
Mind showing where the chart came from?
 

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