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Lee’s only big boo boo was to make an offensive move into Yank scum territory. He should’ve remained defensive the whole time.
The South was doomed from day 1. The only chance that the CSA had was to win very quickly and have the Union sue for peace. That opportunity went out the window when Jubal Early waited to attack and the Union reinforced overnight. That was it. The South had no industry, no infrastructure, no navy to break the blockade and less than half the population. This was the very definition of a lost cause before it even began.
 

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The South was doomed from day 1. The only chance that the CSA had was to win very quickly and have the Union sue for peace. That opportunity went out the window when Jubal Early waited to attack and the Union reinforced overnight. That was it. The South had no industry, no infrastructure, no navy to break the blockade and less than half the population. This was the very definition of a lost cause before it even began.
I disagree, If they had held Chattanooga there would have been no burning of Georgia. If they had held at Murfreesboro they would have been no Yankee excursion into middle TN. There were 2 wars imo. The East and the West. The army of the TN was imo the most impressive army in all of history. They never really lost a battle until missionary ridge. They were doomed from the start with piss poor leadership. Everytime they needed to deliver a decisive blow Bragg stalled out. Look at the Yankee retreat from Chickamaga. Look at Spring Hill before the battle of Franklin, Hood went to bed while the Yankee army retreated to the fortifications in Franklin within spitting distance of the AOT.
 

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Gettysburg is an interesting place for sure. Several times I went and listened to someone read the Gettysburg address and then taps was played. Large place, I think you could spend years studying all that happened there.
 

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I think a case can be made that one of 1st, which could have been the last, major "pivot points" of the Civil War may have been early February 1862 at Fort Henry on the Tennessee River.

It's my understanding Lincoln was about ready to call off the Civil War, just end their campaign into the South. But the whole war "pivoted" via a stroke of "luck" for Union gun boats, which had already given up their attempt to take Fort Henry. Their "luck" was heavy rains & flooding, which had flooded the guns at Ft. Henry.

The Union gun boats, already leaving, heading downstream to Paducah, didn't realize this until they took one final look behind them, wondering why the Confederate cannons had stopped firing. They realized the waters had quickly risen to the point of swamping the cannons. At this point, the Union gun boats turned around, and took the fort.

This very well "could" have been the "pivot point" of this horrible, unnecessary war's ending.

But by taking Ft. Henry, Union troops were then quickly able to more easily take Ft. Donelson, giving them a a much needed supply route to Nashville, Johnsonville, and farther South via both the Tennessee & Cumberland Rivers.
 

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I think a case can be made that one of 1st, which could have been the last, major "pivot points" of the Civil War may have been early February 1862 at Fort Henry on the Tennessee River.

It's my understanding Lincoln was about ready to call off the Civil War, just end their campaign into the South. But the whole war "pivoted" via a stroke of "luck" for Union gun boats, which had already given up their attempt to take Fort Henry. Their "luck" was heavy rains & flooding, which had flooded the guns at Ft. Henry.

The Union gun boats, already leaving, heading downstream to Paducah, didn't realize this until they took one final look behind them, wondering why the Confederate cannons had stopped firing. They realized the waters had quickly risen to the point of swamping the cannons. At this point, the Union gun boats turned around, and took the fort.

This very well "could" have been the "pivot point" of this horrible, unnecessary war's ending.

But by taking Ft. Henry, Union troops were then quickly able to more easily take Ft. Donelson, giving them a a much needed supply route to Nashville, Johnsonville, and farther South via both the Tennessee & Cumberland Rivers.
I entirely agree with this. There were many opportunities to win the war, with a seemingly majority of northern citizens and even politicians opposing the war from the start. The early forfeiture of nearly all of middle and west tennessee without even a glimpse of major battle forever cemented Lincoln’s resolve to proceed at any cost. In my opinion
 

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. . . . . seemingly majority of northern citizens and even politicians opposing the war from the start.
It wasn't just "northern" citizens, but most "Southern" citizens also wanted no part in this war.

It was only AFTER Lincoln sent in troops, as a "show of force" did Southern attitudes change.

Early on, in Tennessee's areas surrounding Ft. Henry (TN River) and Ft. Donelson (Cumberland River) the vast majority of locals didn't think this "war talk" would ever have much effect on them, nor did they want to participate in it on either side.

Ironically, a prominent Stewart County, TN resident was personal friends with Ulysses S. Grant, and Grant was initially welcomed by his friends in Stewart Co., TN even AFTER Union Troops had commandeered Ft. Donelson at Dover in 1862! Locals STILL didn't think this war would much effect them, nor should they be concerned much about it.

What changed the locals mindsets was that persistent, then lawless, union "show of force" with a growing number of "occupiers". After a while, there were over 10,000 union troops camped out around Stewart County, TN, and neither Grant nor any the higher ups were able to control their troops. Many these union troops (occupiers) began roaming the countryside, robbing, stealing, raping, and murdering those locals just trying to protect themselves and their families.

At the same time, many locals began "bush-whacking" these criminals, as such tactic was often the only viable one a person had against a roving group of a dozen or more union "enlisted" men (many of whom were northern criminals before being given a choice of going to prison or being "enlisted" in the union army.)

Similar scenario was unfolding everywhere South of the Mason-Dixon line that union troops were "stationed". Troops would go "marauding" the locals, some locals would then become "bush-whackers". Lincoln's "show of force" is what created the situation that led to the lawlessness, and then major war. To the typical Southern family, they were just protecting themselves from being raped, robbed, or murdered by these union aggressors.

 

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