Would you give up your guns?
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100 percent ^^^^THIS^^^^
right here.
Took my Oath in 1979.
Still bound to it, until my last breath.
ImThere
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I wonder when the mass shooting will start? Like a real mass shooting where 20-30 people die. Not a gang shoot out where 3 die.
Southern Sportsman
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It's fine on TNDeer in general. But better suited for the "General Discussion" forum. Not the "Deer Hunting" forum. I like talking about deer hunting. But I seldom ever visit the General Discussion forum where politics and drama are far more common.
bgant
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Though Biden's gun control plan is very extreme, to say the least, I think it's mostly there to appease those in the anti-gun camp. The anti-gun camp, from what I can tell, is a small minority of the country that primarily grew up in urban environments and have never been around guns in their lives. I've known one or two of these folks along the way, and when I talked to them about common uses for guns by rural folks, like predator control, hunting, etc., both of them were surprised to hear an opposing but rational counterpoint and appreciated that and could see the need for guns. Not that I changed their minds, but they at least could begin to see the utilitarian nature of firearms.
Further, the question of a buy back and future ban (albeit temporary like the assault weapons ban Clinton passed) is possible, but an outright ban of existing firearms or high-capacity magazines, does not seem possible. I understand that FFLs must report sales to the ATF, but anyone can walk into a store or get online and buy high-capacity magazines and those records aren't required to be maintained in the same fashion as those for firearms. And how far back into sales records would one go to identify every single "assault weapon" that's been sold? 10 years, 50 years? Again, this seems more like something that was written to appease a small group of people, not something that's actually intended to be implemented. If I've ever hoped to be correct, this is the instance! Also, everyone is armed with "assault weapons" and "high-capacity magazines" at this point. Left, right, ethnicity, religion, none of that matters, the majority of Americans are legally armed at this point.
Lastly, not that this is the question, but I'm getting on my soap box based on some of the responses from those lobbing verbal bombs at those on the left. I hope you're sitting down as this will likely come as a shock, but not all folks on the left are anti-gun. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the majority of those on the left aren't anti-gun and are in fact, gun owners themselves. Just like you and me. I'd say there are even likely left-leaning voters on this very forum. I have plenty of friends on the left, right, and middle, and they ALL own lots of guns and ammo. In fact, I have several left-leaning friends, some of them pretty far left, that are as heavily into shooting sports and hunting as any of my friends on the right. I myself am a middle of the road voter. Being on the extreme end of just about anything is not productive and definitely doesn't lead to any sort of unification of a group of people, except for the small group of extremists that share the viewpoint.
I assume this post is going to get torched, but if everyone would think a little more about not being ready to jump everyone else's yugo at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't be where we are now as a country.
Further, the question of a buy back and future ban (albeit temporary like the assault weapons ban Clinton passed) is possible, but an outright ban of existing firearms or high-capacity magazines, does not seem possible. I understand that FFLs must report sales to the ATF, but anyone can walk into a store or get online and buy high-capacity magazines and those records aren't required to be maintained in the same fashion as those for firearms. And how far back into sales records would one go to identify every single "assault weapon" that's been sold? 10 years, 50 years? Again, this seems more like something that was written to appease a small group of people, not something that's actually intended to be implemented. If I've ever hoped to be correct, this is the instance! Also, everyone is armed with "assault weapons" and "high-capacity magazines" at this point. Left, right, ethnicity, religion, none of that matters, the majority of Americans are legally armed at this point.
Lastly, not that this is the question, but I'm getting on my soap box based on some of the responses from those lobbing verbal bombs at those on the left. I hope you're sitting down as this will likely come as a shock, but not all folks on the left are anti-gun. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the majority of those on the left aren't anti-gun and are in fact, gun owners themselves. Just like you and me. I'd say there are even likely left-leaning voters on this very forum. I have plenty of friends on the left, right, and middle, and they ALL own lots of guns and ammo. In fact, I have several left-leaning friends, some of them pretty far left, that are as heavily into shooting sports and hunting as any of my friends on the right. I myself am a middle of the road voter. Being on the extreme end of just about anything is not productive and definitely doesn't lead to any sort of unification of a group of people, except for the small group of extremists that share the viewpoint.
I assume this post is going to get torched, but if everyone would think a little more about not being ready to jump everyone else's yugo at the drop of a hat, we wouldn't be where we are now as a country.
"Guns??? What guns??? I sold them all years ago officer."
JohnWaynePreach
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From my cold dead hands. Not happening.
godores
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I think this question is infinitely more complicated and difficult than a simple answer can do justice. I think the Gulag Archipelago by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn should be required reading as it so clearly shows the path toward oppression using the real story of Russian descent into communism. Get the abridged copy, original is farrrrr too long. Some quotes below show you the perspective of someone who lived it.
"At what point, then, should one resist? When one's belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one's home? An arrest consists of a series of incidental irrelevancies, of a multitude of things that do not matter, and there seems no point in arguing about one of them individually...and yet all these incidental irrelevancies taken together implacably constitute the arrest."
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
" And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrest, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood that they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. What about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur – what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs [Soviet state institutions] would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
If…if… We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure! … We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
In hindsight it's clear when a line has been crossed, but when you are living in it, it can be extremely gray and complex. I am as pro second amendment as anyone on here, but if you ask me whether I'm willing to die for it, the answer can only be "it depends". Are you the first to be arrested for gun ownership? Or have they already killed or imprisoned your brother and neighbor? Is it the local sherrifs who I know and deeply respect, or some nameless federal agency? Is it just certain guns, or all of them?
I don't mean to muddy the waters, but I just think history gives us examples of this and it is never as clear as Hillary Clinton knocking on your door with a swat team out of nowhere. I think if people are serious about protecting the 2A then join the NRA, encourage more people to own and enjoy firearms responsibly, advocate for mental healthcare for those who need it, add value and drive a good economy that reduces crime, and generally don't give the left reasons to be afraid of you. Fear drives radical action, not hatred. If you intimidate other people with firearms and make them scared of you, they are a lot more likely to support restrictions against you. That doesn't mean don't stand up for your rights, that is very important too, just do it in a way that doesn't make people think you want to hurt them.
Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the long post.
"At what point, then, should one resist? When one's belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one's home? An arrest consists of a series of incidental irrelevancies, of a multitude of things that do not matter, and there seems no point in arguing about one of them individually...and yet all these incidental irrelevancies taken together implacably constitute the arrest."
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
" And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrest, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood that they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. What about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur – what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs [Soviet state institutions] would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
If…if… We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure! … We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
In hindsight it's clear when a line has been crossed, but when you are living in it, it can be extremely gray and complex. I am as pro second amendment as anyone on here, but if you ask me whether I'm willing to die for it, the answer can only be "it depends". Are you the first to be arrested for gun ownership? Or have they already killed or imprisoned your brother and neighbor? Is it the local sherrifs who I know and deeply respect, or some nameless federal agency? Is it just certain guns, or all of them?
I don't mean to muddy the waters, but I just think history gives us examples of this and it is never as clear as Hillary Clinton knocking on your door with a swat team out of nowhere. I think if people are serious about protecting the 2A then join the NRA, encourage more people to own and enjoy firearms responsibly, advocate for mental healthcare for those who need it, add value and drive a good economy that reduces crime, and generally don't give the left reasons to be afraid of you. Fear drives radical action, not hatred. If you intimidate other people with firearms and make them scared of you, they are a lot more likely to support restrictions against you. That doesn't mean don't stand up for your rights, that is very important too, just do it in a way that doesn't make people think you want to hurt them.
Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the long post.
ImThere
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So your not a supporter of the second amendment. Your in the only for hunting group?
bgant
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What in my post would lead you to think I'm NOT a supporter of the second amendment???
7mm08
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Large sealed PVC pipes, and a GPS will be the answer when and if the law is passed! I'll bury them in a National Forest somewhere before I give up my arms.
I really don't know the answer but are there politicians on the left that run on a pro 2A platform? There might be people that identify as the left that are pro 2A but they are likely voting for politicians that are antigun.
TNHunter2521
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Actually there are a few on here, past and present, that will gladly hand them over.
Sad but true.
Mine too. Total loss. I only have kitchen knives now.
Negative
bgant
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I'm not an expert of left or any other politicians, as I think they're mostly all out for themselves and their corporate betters, but I know of some left politicians from western states that are pro gun. I agree with your statement that there are pro 2A voters on the left that vote for politicians that may, to one extent or another, be for some type of "gun control". In those instances, I assume those voters are looking beyond the single issue of 2A at the larger entirety of issues beyond 2A. It's a complicated world and political landscape, that's for sure!
And for the other post, I'm pro 2A through and through. Otherwise I wouldn't waste my time commenting on this post.
TNHunter2521
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Absolutely not. BUT ...... it doesn't matter what WE TN Forum participants say here. On January 20th, 2021 this "inalienable right" to own, possess, carry (etc)..... firearms ownership will be attacked by a political party that wants to destroy the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If there are Forum members that think otherwise I'm sorry you are sadly mistaken. We Tennesseans MAY think we are safe. We have a Legislator and Governor that are willing to go to the ends of this State to protect our freedoms. Unfortunately, Tennessee is only one state. REMEMBER there are a number of Representatives and Senators in Nashville that are not on our side. These Legislators will be against us. We need to pray.... we are not out of the "woods".
This is my opinion, please respect my right to express my opinion.
This is my opinion, please respect my right to express my opinion.
Yes, pray, without ceasing.
LA man
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He// no
