I have little kids in the home. Of course I keep guns out of reach at all times, but it's worth it for that reason alone to have an extra safety as another fail safe.
Choosing a Handgun for Everyday Carry
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7mm08
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And should be connected to a brain.
Glock or my Kimber 1911
They have a safety. It's called excruciatingly long and heavy trigger pull. I think that's also why you see so many police shootouts with about a 5% hit rate.
I've never carried a pistol with a safety, all my training is without a safety it would probably get me killed if I tried to carry one with a safety.
Well get your nicest most accurate 1911 and I'll stand behind a target shooting at you with a high point while you try to put hits on target after you sprinted 50yds after mostly sitting for 6 hours we can compare your hit rate with law enforcement
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When I pull a handgun from my side it's automatic that I'm disengaging the safety as I draw, it doesn't take any more effort or time than pulling one without a safety, if your in the habit. That's my opinion and take on it.
eightpointer
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My go to is always my Glock 31. I love that caliber and its a comfortable gun. The safety / no safety issue is a personal choice for folks.
That's another reason I still have, and very much like, my older Ruger P series handguns with the ambi safety decock. Plus those older ones fit in my hands nicely.
You or others around you could live or die over your choice of equipment. Safeties is always a controversy. There is a reason some manufacturers offer their firearms with/without safeties and with/without magazine disconnects.
Like anything else, or any other option, whether or not you should have a safety is driven by your application, your needs and how you train.
I would never be so presumptuous as to tell someone I don't know whether or not they need a safety, or to make ridiculous statements about safeties.
But I will add this for some of those new shooters deciding what to get. Safeties are a back-up in case you make a mistake. Don't ever count on a trigger safety or magazine disconnect to make your handgun safe. I had a thumb safety on a 1911 fail. Also, those that are telling you a handgun can't fire without you pulling the trigger are clueless, don't listen to them. Guns are mechanical devices and any of them can fail.
Like anything else, or any other option, whether or not you should have a safety is driven by your application, your needs and how you train.
I would never be so presumptuous as to tell someone I don't know whether or not they need a safety, or to make ridiculous statements about safeties.
But I will add this for some of those new shooters deciding what to get. Safeties are a back-up in case you make a mistake. Don't ever count on a trigger safety or magazine disconnect to make your handgun safe. I had a thumb safety on a 1911 fail. Also, those that are telling you a handgun can't fire without you pulling the trigger are clueless, don't listen to them. Guns are mechanical devices and any of them can fail.
Rifles and handguns alike have discharged from being dropped before, no pull of the trigger.
Yep, and some guns that are dropped fire, not from hitting the ground, but from someone trying to grab them as they fall and hitting the trigger. It's easy to say "just let them fall" but reflex is reflex.
One only has to see the design of the trigger, and the sharp edge of the sear and the few thousandths away from falling off the actuator to know that, mechanically, it's possible to be jarred into falling.
BSK
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And that would be a problem for me.
I had an older P95DC that was an absolute tank. It was my first pistol, I paid $250 for it, put thousands of rounds through it… literally many thousands, never once had a ftf or jam of any kind… and stupidly sold it to find another gun. Those things are great!That's another reason I still have, and very much like, my older Ruger P series handguns with the ambi safety decock. Plus those older ones fit in my hands nicely.
The S&W M&P 2.0 COMPACT is available with an ambi-safety. Although I own one (my doesn't have a safety though), I wouldn't call that a compact. The Shield is what I would call a compact. But the safety on the Shield is really sketchy. It doesn't appear to me that it was designed to be turned on or off in a shooting situation, but simply in a handling or storage situation.
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Safety, no safety is all personal preference. Here is my problem: People buy pistols and never fire them. They holster them and carry them loaded with a box of brand new ammo they bought that same day. They don't even know if the ammo will cycle properly. They don't practice draw. They don't learn the mechanics of the gun.
Good point as well. I had to try a few different brands and types in my Ruger to find what cycled reliably also. This is PD ammo btw, not fmj plinking rounds. I found the PPU PD ammo to be excellent performing in it. It has the ball ammo nose but hollow point design, so it feeds like ball ammo but has the performance of self defense rounds.
That's true. Thing is, there are people that don't like guns and don't like to shoot, that are buying guns for protection because of what's going on in the country. Let's be honest…. If you don't have kids around, you don't need a lot of training for a bedside revolver. What would concern me for family members is the large numbers of old folks we see on the gun forums that can't rack a slide, but instead of buying a revolver are trying to buy semi-autos with slides that are easy to rack. To me, that's a recipe for disaster.
I have Glocks, 1911s and similar designs, Ruger LCP22. All the guns are loaded with one in the chamber. The trigger safety guns stay in the holster until they are to be used. Trigger finger is kept out of the guard until ready to fire. The 1911s I keep the safety on so I can carry them without a holster if need be. They won't go off unless the safety is off even in your pocket. Glocks have been known to go off in pocket carry when you draw them wrong or they come in contact with something else in the pocket. Just use common sense.
Defense ammo is expensive, but it's necessary to make sure the gun likes it. Good point.
