My 11 yr old came up empty this year, but the 15 yr old managed to get a doe. We sat in the rain for over 2 hours before this one came out. The wind was swaying our tree pretty hard when he clicked off the safety on the 308 and dropped her at about 100 yards through THICK woods. (I didn't even see her when he shot.) She only moved about 5 feet and that was down hill. \:\)