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#977965 - 10/19/08 09:19 PM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: Buckblaster]
scn
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That's the great thing about bow hunting-you can pick your shots and have your opinions, and I can pick mine.

And, IMO, someone who says they would pick mid-gut has little respect for the animal and bowhunting. But, again, just my opinion.


Edited by scn (10/19/08 09:25 PM)
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#978022 - 10/19/08 09:41 PM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: richmanbarbeque]
JayMc
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 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
I often have thought about starting a thread titled " I would rather shoot a little forward than a little back".


Now you tell me \:D

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#978231 - 10/20/08 03:45 AM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: JayMc]
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I would rather make a clean kill.

But, I am there to kill the deer as humanely as possible. That is what we're talking here fellas.

THere are always going to be problems with shots on deer. Gun or bow. My wish is to help EVERYONE to become more educated when dealing with marginal hits. It has taken me a LONG time and lots of experience to get where I am now. If I can help ONE guy or gal save a bunch of aggravation and time, it was all worth it.

Gut shot deer are DEAD deer. Shoulder hit deer mid-clavical or humerus are wounded deer. May or may not die. I would not wish the pain associated with either shots on ANY animal. I am just saying...STAY AWAY from the shoulder. Aim BEHIND the shoulder. BEWARE that the deer is capable of dropping into the arrow and blocking that arrow with its' leg bone.

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#978249 - 10/20/08 05:08 AM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: 102]
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On most shots , I'll aim for the exit that will take out both lungs at the angle the deer is standing from the height of my tree stand . The last doe I shot was slightly quartering on , but I still took out both lungs with the arrow exiting the liver . I had a great blood trail and she only went 60 yards .
The problem with aiming too far forward is the tendency for deer to duck at the sound of the shot ,and the arrow ends up square in the shoulder .
Like 102 , I have hit a few in the shoulder and never recovered them . A shoulder hit that misses the vitals is , in most cases , a non fatal hit . Gut shot deer are dead deer . Not a great shot , but a recoverable deer.
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#979533 - 10/20/08 04:30 PM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: scn


And, IMO, someone who says they would pick mid-gut has little respect for the animal and bowhunting. But, again, just my opinion.


 Originally Posted By: 102


Gut shot deer are DEAD deer. Shoulder hit deer mid-clavical or humerus are wounded deer. May or may not die. I would not wish the pain associated with either shots on ANY animal. I am just saying...STAY AWAY from the shoulder. Aim BEHIND the shoulder. BEWARE that the deer is capable of dropping into the arrow and blocking that arrow with its' leg bone.

102


Thats your opinion and everyone is entitled to them no matter how outlandish they are.

My exact point 102.

It is bad ebough to hit deer in the shoulder and gut alone. but I would rather know the deer is dead than have one running around with a broadhead jammed in its shoulder.
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#979734 - 10/20/08 06:26 PM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: Buckblaster]
richmanbarbeque
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I guess many different opinions. My point is most new bowhunters play it safe and aim for what they think is the middle of the lungs. Upon release they usually look for the arrow In flight and end up hitting the deer a little back. If you aim straight up the leg 1/3 up you will kill it every time. I have taken deer straight thru the shoulders. Not my shot of choice but have done it and not on mature bucks.
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#980711 - 10/21/08 08:32 AM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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My goal as a bowhunter is never to become an expert in gut shots . \:\)
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#980840 - 10/21/08 09:14 AM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: richmanbarbeque]
Radar
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 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
I guess many different opinions. My point is most new bowhunters play it safe and aim for what they think is the middle of the lungs. Upon release they usually look for the arrow In flight and end up hitting the deer a little back. If you aim straight up the leg 1/3 up you will kill it every time. I have taken deer straight thru the shoulders. Not my shot of choice but have done it and not on mature bucks.


That would be a good subject for another thread . It was a difficult bloodtrail on a perfect shot . Patience and good observation of the deer after the shot paid off . We both guessed exactly where the deer fell by paying close attention .
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#982678 - 10/22/08 05:44 AM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: Radar]
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Good points.
Radar...I appreciate your experience and apparent agreement. I had no mentor in bowhunting for deer in the 1980's. I had a few GREAT mentors in the skills of bowhunting, but NONE in the actual kill and recovery. When I started, bowhunting was fairly new to us around here. Unfortunately, I did become somewhat of an "expert" on recovering gut shot deer, and also just about every other type of bad hit. I learned the hard way. I have MUCH video footage of recoveries, autopsies, blood trails, and even a couple finishing shots. NONE I am particularly proud of, I just kept it for educational purposes. But remember...I hunt with lots of bow and gun hunters. My experiences are not just my shots. I am talking numbers of hands on recoveries in the HUNDREDS. And not just by arrow either.

These animals NEVER cease to amaze me. Just yesterday, I waited for the "perfect" shot angle on a plump doe in Franklin County. She gave it to me at 21 yards. I imagined the path of the arrow before release and intended on taking out both lungs. She had a slight quarter away as I released. I gathered my gear, headed to the truck, (2 hours later), and took up the B/T. About 240 yards later, I recovered her. My hunting partner is a Doctor and was flabergasted the deer went that far.

Autopsy showed the arrow entered left side, slightly forward mid-rib, left lung. And exited just below elboe, right lung, low. It also clipped the liver.

THe b/t was poor at best for about 100 yards, then a gusher.

I have seen this before, he had not.

Deer are TOUGH, amazing animals.

Aim at the shoulder, and you are eventually going to hit the BONE.

RADAR is RIGHT-ON. Aim for BOTHE LUNGS. AVOID the shoulder.

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#982734 - 10/22/08 06:44 AM Re: Great pictures on Bowsite [Re: 102]
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102, NOBODY is promoting shoulder shots.
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