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#926576 - 09/21/08 10:49 AM Little bow help...
Coach
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Radar and all of you that are more experienced than yours truly. I haven't been shooting my Mathews as well as I want...the shots are "kills" but I don't just shoot for kills I like to practice and get as close a group as I can. I went to the bow shop yesterday for the first tune up and talked to him about it. He is a competition shooter and seems to know his stuff. The grip on my Mathews DXT fits my hand like a glove...however, it turns my hand in such a way that unless I'm careful the string rips the bone out of my forearm!! I was shooting with my recurve arm protector on...He watched me shoot and said I didn't hold each shot the same way with my grip. He said I could change my grip to a "blockier" one and that would solve my problem or I could turn my hand so that the Mathews grip was on the pad of my hand under my thumb. The new grip was $50+ bucks so I didn't buy it. I came home and practiced for an hour and it feels unnatural to shoot the way he told me however I shoot better that way...Today my hand and arm are sore from holding the bow that way...even my last three fingers are sore. I like to know what you think about this? I did not have this problem with my Proline...What would you do?
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#926592 - 09/21/08 10:58 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
m_allison71
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You might need to shorten the draw length.

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#926642 - 09/21/08 11:23 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: m_allison71]
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He double checked my draw length yesterday and said it was perfect...that was my first thought to tho' Mike
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#926682 - 09/21/08 12:29 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
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if you are hitting your arm, the draw length IS NOT perfect.
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#926728 - 09/21/08 01:46 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: stik]
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Get someone to take a pic of you at full draw so I can see your bow arm, grip, and anchor...
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#926769 - 09/21/08 02:42 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Game Eye]
Bertman
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prob the way you are holding the bow.my son was doing the samething string slaping his arm he got smart quick now it doesn't do it.It was the way he was holding it.
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#926842 - 09/21/08 03:40 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Bertman]
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You are probably torquing the grip , and that will cause the string to slap your forearm , same as a long draw length will .
Here are two artciles on bow grip and one on draw length .

http://www.buckmasters.com/bm/Resources/...Death-Grip.aspx

http://bowsite.com/bowsite/features/practical_bowhunter/grip/index.htm

http://www.huntersfriend.com/draw-length-weight.htm
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#926850 - 09/21/08 03:47 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Radar]
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How tall are you??

Take your height in inches and divide by 2.5 to get your draw length. If the calculation is close to your draw length then work on your technique. You might be torquing your bow.
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#926858 - 09/21/08 03:55 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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I put in a vote for torque. I had a similar problem until I changed my grip. Draw length was fine but every now and then the string would smack my arm and that started making me flinch. Changed my grip and all was well after a week or so. Just takes some getting used to.
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#926861 - 09/21/08 03:57 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
How tall are you??

Take your height in inches and divide by 2.5 to get your draw length. If the calculation is close to your draw length then work on your technique. You might be torquing your bow.


You take your arm span and divide by 2.5 , not height . ;\)
http://www.huntersfriend.com/draw-length-weight.htm
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#926866 - 09/21/08 04:07 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Radar]
FLTENNHUNTER1
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
How tall are you??

Take your height in inches and divide by 2.5 to get your draw length. If the calculation is close to your draw length then work on your technique. You might be torquing your bow.


You take your arm span and divide by 2.5 , not height . ;\)
http://www.huntersfriend.com/draw-length-weight.htm


I used the same website for reference if you read further down the article. I used my height cuz I couldn't get a good arm span measurement. I am 6'1" (73 inches) divided by 2.5 = 29.2
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#927027 - 09/21/08 06:40 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Radar]
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I will try to get my son to take a pic when I get to bow camp on Tuesday...meanwhile, I am 5'9"...when I convert that to inches and divide by 2.5 it comes to 27.6"..my bow is set at 27.5"..so that should be right. Radar, I'm reading the articles you linked this evening after my son heads off to school...thanks again to all of you...
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#927550 - 09/22/08 05:15 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
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Excellent links Radar...I'm just going to spend the bucks and buy the different grip. Seems like when you spend that kind of money on a Mathews bow they would give you a better grip...
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#927623 - 09/22/08 07:27 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
Excellent links Radar...I'm just going to spend the bucks and buy the different grip. Seems like when you spend that kind of money on a Mathews bow they would give you a better grip...


The grip is the most important aspect of shooting a bow , and one of the most overlooked aspects when buying a bow .
I like a low wrist grip . Hicks makes a good grip for the price . I bought one for my Conquest for $21 from Lancaster's .
http://lancasterarchery.com/shop/advance...s&submit=Search
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#927728 - 09/22/08 08:25 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
 Originally Posted By: Coach
Excellent links Radar...I'm just going to spend the bucks and buy the different grip. Seems like when you spend that kind of money on a Mathews bow they would give you a better grip...


The grip is the most important aspect of shooting a bow , and one of the most overlooked aspects when buying a bow .
I like a low wrist grip . Hicks makes a good grip for the price . I bought one for my Conquest for $21 from Lancaster's .
http://lancasterarchery.com/shop/advance...s&submit=Search


I'm learning that the grip is very important...I never really knew that because my Proline grip fit me so well. The grip from Lancaster is less than half the grip I was going to buy at the archery shop.
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#928164 - 09/22/08 12:19 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Radar]
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One final question...if I change my grip from the Mathews to the after market grip, will it lengthen my draw?
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#928168 - 09/22/08 12:22 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
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Not much , maybe 1/4"- 1/2" .
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#928519 - 09/22/08 04:05 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Radar]
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Take the grip off. Shoot off the riser. No torque at all. Past that shoot how you feel comfortable. What works for someone else may not work for you.

BTW there are a lot of competition shooters..........
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#929672 - 09/23/08 09:19 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: bobthebowhunter
Take the grip off. Shoot off the riser. No torque at all. Past that shoot how you feel comfortable. What works for someone else may not work for you.

BTW there are a lot of competition shooters..........


I was told that there are two ridges once the grip is off that are very uncomfortable to grip on the riser...but, a good idea. I'm past comfortable I guess, I want my groups tight and I'll be uncomfortable to get it. I appreciate the help Bob...
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#929886 - 09/23/08 11:03 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
 Originally Posted By: bobthebowhunter
Take the grip off. Shoot off the riser. No torque at all. Past that shoot how you feel comfortable. What works for someone else may not work for you.

BTW there are a lot of competition shooters..........


I was told that there are two ridges once the grip is off that are very uncomfortable to grip on the riser...but, a good idea. I'm past comfortable I guess, I want my groups tight and I'll be uncomfortable to get it. I appreciate the help Bob...


I have also seen guys take and use the replacement grip tape for a tennis raquette and wrap that around the riser. I once used the wrap from limp saver. Either way good luck. Don't get to caught up in the little details. Some times it helps to just put it down for a few days and then come back to it.
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#929897 - 09/23/08 11:10 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: bobthebowhunter]
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I had a mathews that gave me the exact same problems. I bought an Xforce the other day and you can just grab that sucker and shoot it without having to worry about your grip. Itll make you pull your hair out thats for sure. I got a buddy with a mathews going through the same problems.
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#929919 - 09/23/08 11:23 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: muddyboots]
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From the advice given I've decided to replace the grip...now, I'm just looking at which grip I want to replace it with. The way the bow sets right now is awesome compared to some I have shot. I'm just more or less talking tightening my groups and stopping the arm slap, not so much for the kill, but just because I enjoy shooting tighter groups and don't want the string whacking me every third time I shoot. The current groups are good for deer hunting. I sure appreciate all the help from you guys...sometimes it's easy to forget how great this site is..
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#929939 - 09/23/08 11:42 AM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
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Yep we tend to be a little particular dont we? Especially when its with an 800 dollar bow. LOL. Let us know how the new grip does.
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#930070 - 09/23/08 12:58 PM Re: Little bow help... [Re: Coach]
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 Originally Posted By: Coach
From the advice given I've decided to replace the grip...now, I'm just looking at which grip I want to replace it with. The way the bow sets right now is awesome compared to some I have shot. I'm just more or less talking tightening my groups and stopping the arm slap, not so much for the kill, but just because I enjoy shooting tighter groups and don't want the string whacking me every third time I shoot. The current groups are good for deer hunting. I sure appreciate all the help from you guys...sometimes it's easy to forget how great this site is..


If you are hitting your arm that frequently , your draw length is defiantly too long . Where are you anchoring ? The grip torque is an issue too , but it could be related to the long draw length .
Strings will stretch , causing the draw length to lengthen too .
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