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#919394 - 09/16/08 09:29 PM The chute to below congo bottoms
stillinscrubs
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A trying piece of water at times. Real hog country when the time is right.

Here is the TWRA map site 6 on it is the blowups below. I recomend using mapquest to scout the shoals, but I can't capture it and edit it properly yet.

http://www.state.tn.us/twra/gis/troutpf/Center_Hill_Tailwater_(Caney_Fork_River).pdf

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Gordon...0:::::f:EN:M:/e



Now just some info.

The most upstream red mark on the map is what my pals and I call the chute. It is a narrow section of fast deep water. When you get the right sun and water with a pair of polarized glasses on you will be sure to see a trout over 10lbs. It is a hog spot, stockers come over that thin water above it and perish. Be warned this water should be run first carefully to understand the underwater trees before fishing it.

Once you get below the start of the chute big fish can be anywhere. The deep hole created by the Smith fork is very tough to fly fish, but hardware should be a no brainer. The sand bar on the creek side of the river is ideal for wading. The two green marks indicate the most likely region for wading across the river. Worth a look for redds.

From here on down river the outside of the bend is filled with timber and deep water. It rarely fishes well for me on the fly rod, but I don't fish streamers. I think all the yellow dots are good approximations of places to focus on.

I have seen more huge walleye in this section of river than any other. Almost took my spinning gear to go after them, but not worth it to me. Take a look on a sunny day. Walleye over 5lbs are there for sure.

Now for the money.....right were the blue text congo bottoms starts is some serious trout water. And worth keeping a close eye on the next two months. Good fast water. Between the 2 I-40 bridges always has a large brown. I know tubs has been there his plugs are on every submerged piece of wood. The section 100 yards upstream from the first bridge to 100 yards below the second is broken bed rock, mostly. The fish can be sitting anywhere, and one of the tricky parts it that the big fish often sit mid stream, in often the most "boring" bottom structure. WARNING: Below the second bridge can be tricky fast and shallow water. First time through I would run it before fishing it.

Around the bend below I-40 down to the first set of rocks that jut out to mid river is flat out guaranteed big fish 365. If you aren't catching fish over 18 inches here you aren't fishing correctly. Buddy and I went 24 over 18 on rainbows down through here in one 3 hour period. Three over 20 inches. And this was fishing flies from 16-20. Imagine what hardware could do! I have broken fish off on 8lb tippet and size 8 scuds here and having never seen them. No submerged timber either.

The fish sit mid river at and above the nipple. Be prepared, work the entire area. Best plan is to drift through and use polarized glasses to scan for fish. Motor back up and pound them, the motor will not turn these fish off, they will be back in 2 minutes, only water level moves them. This area should be watched closely the next 2 months.

Possible sleeper spot. The backside of the island for the chute. This is mostly shallow gravel, but the fish may decide that this is the place to spawn with all the deep water below and above. Easily accessed by the states access point 6 at Kirby road.

Good Luck,
Scrubs

Now post some pics of that big one

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#919753 - 09/17/08 06:48 AM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: stillinscrubs]
trealtree
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Here is a swirly face pic just for you Scrubs. Before anyone says anything, yes I ate this fish and yes that is a stringer hanging out of its mouth. Out of 10 thousand or so trout I have caught over the years this is my first legal brown. I was excited to say the least. And its all thanks to Tubbaka for showing me how to cath them.


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#919952 - 09/17/08 08:40 AM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: trealtree]
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And thanks to Tubs for showing you how to kill them, too.
Outstanding fish, though.
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#920005 - 09/17/08 09:00 AM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: gil1]
trealtree
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Tubb's didnt show me how to kill them. That was my choice because I bought my license and a trout stamp which legally allows me to keep trout. I dont think they would sell too many trout stamps if you could not keep any fish. Kinda like selling a deer permit and only allowing you to look at them. I understand the concept of catch and release and I agree with it. That is why I only keep fish on occasion when I go fishing.
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#920076 - 09/17/08 09:42 AM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: trealtree]
MFBAB
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Nice one realtree!
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#920093 - 09/17/08 09:51 AM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: MFBAB]
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Why was the other thread removed?
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#920887 - 09/17/08 03:45 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: MFBAB]
bigluresonly
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Awesome fish man!
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#921338 - 09/17/08 07:59 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: trealtree]
shorefisherman
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
Kinda like selling a deer permit and only allowing you to look at them.


\:D \:D .....Hey trealtree that brown looks familiar \:D J/K .I remember the first keeper brown i caught from the shoreline, was so exited and did the same thing...very exhilerating, personnelly i dont like the taste of browns, but will eat it once in a while for some omega3's

Not to be sounding like Tubbbbbbs, but after a while the 20-24"ers tend to look all the same in photo, but man Id like to see a lunker come out of the cf!!...Its still in there.prolly migrating now form the cumby.
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#921368 - 09/17/08 08:17 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: stillinscrubs]
shorefisherman
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Ohhh, congrats on your first legal brown, very
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#922384 - 09/18/08 11:48 AM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: shorefisherman]
Tubakka
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AWESOME Trealtree. How's that Gheenoe? Give me a call...I got a bait I want you to try...

...gil gil gil...when will you ever learn...

..."depleting the resource"...I come back into town for a day and ge ta 25.5"...once again...there are more big fish in there than an yone is even aware of. I don't think you should keep them all, but it's not "killing" when the resource is placed by man, not naturally reproducing, and makes for great table fare...its called "harvest"...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR...vest. And the next time you complain about anyone keeping a fish that size...show the last pic of a brown trout that size you RELEASED from the Caney...

...oh yeah, right....forgot....

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#922391 - 09/18/08 11:51 AM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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Trealtree, jacking around on no gen down at the dam two weeks ago, a buddy and I saw what I will say was probably the HEAVIEST [not the longest though...] brown I've EVER seen on the Caney. Easy 32-33" judging by the buffalo it was sharing the water with, but that kype...the thing look like an obese spawning kokanee...big old hump on his back. We got him to turn, but no take...there has to be a way. You're in the right spot...
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#922726 - 09/18/08 02:13 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
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Tubster,

You talkin about right at the dam or 100 feet back? I think we might give that a shot this weekend.


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#924386 - 09/19/08 01:57 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
stillinscrubs
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The hens are bigger Tubs. I caught all these males sitting next to a 35-36" hen in deep water waiting for her to move up to the gravel last year. I am guessing her length, but she was at least a foot longer than the males who were all between 18-23 inches. Also got 3-4 rainbows over 18 inches from behind her. She was sitting in about 5 feet of water waiting for generation to move up into a riffle and spawn.






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#925588 - 09/20/08 01:43 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: stillinscrubs]
Tubakka
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Scrubs, dude...

....next time I'm in town [hopefully right aroudn prespawn] let's hook up. I'm really not the jerk I'm perceived to be on this board...just ask BD. I fish with flyfishermen all the time, or have at least...I just don't like the attitude most of them have. I don't know if I'll ever adopt the tactic just for the intensive time nad money involved, but there's always something to be learned from another angler. I love wade fishing once those bigger browns start moving in. I have a few ideas how to get a big prespawn female.

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#925593 - 09/20/08 01:46 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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OKAY just noticed...the middle fish...look at the pectoral fin. About half the larger trout I caught last year had that distinct mark...as in it was a nub. Cook told me it was just from being crowded in the hatchery and it was a casualty of fighting over scraps, but I find it weird that it was almost always on the same side...maybe some form of genetic dillution because of using the same brood milt and roe? I dunno...but it seemed really really curious. Seen some deformities and general morphisms in that river that couldn't be attributed to environment alone. Wish I had pictures of the Were-brown...
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#925594 - 09/20/08 01:47 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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BTW, Scrubs, yes, I know the hens are bigger...but dang they ain't near as purty, paw.
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#925603 - 09/20/08 01:54 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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Adding to Scrubs analysis [which was rather good...in fact, great] this is one of the best big fish areas on the entire river. Shore got a 10 pound 26" brown back in April down Plank-O lane, the right lane down stream with all the trees. If you go down the middle, you should be fine, just focus on fishing...hit them hard and hit them fast then run it again. Be prepared to fish both the drop off into the deep hole at the Smith Fork confluence and the lay down on the right side...I've hooked 2 fish here that I know were trout that were over 10 pounds. Stale mates...plus a good shot at a striper and there are tons of 20" fish in there. The last time I was up, I had a 30" class fish come out from below Kirby, and I know of a gentleman that caught a 32" in the swift water going through the left lane past Ghetto Booty on a jerk bait...apparently while guiding Craig Morgan. Woof....Hope any of that helps. Talk to shore, I'm sure he knwos of some monsters being caught there.
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#925633 - 09/20/08 02:44 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
stillinscrubs
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The fin is due to the hatchery race ways and handling trauma. It happens on both sides. If they get worn down too close to the origin of the fin they can't grow back. Lake superior state damages the fins on thier atlantic slamon to determine year class. This could have been done by the state intentionlly to collect data, but I doubt it.

The hens will get worn down fins while making reds, as the season progresses you will see the fins getting worse on them. They heal.

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#926718 - 09/21/08 01:24 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: stillinscrubs]
Tubakka
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That's what I thought at first...but after about catching half the fish over 20" having that SAME mark on the SAME side...its kinda bizarre, and the trauma appeared almost identical each time, no difference in the shape or length. I know the studies that they have been using on any trout in tailraces to determine year class has been to use the adipose fin, with the minimal amount of trauma to the fish or its perpetual wellbeing [ability to stabilize, swim, hunt etc] and a very very distinct differentiation between the control and experimental.
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#926720 - 09/21/08 01:25 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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Wait a sec, wait a sec...SCRUBS, did you put a SWIRL effect on the FLY in that top pic? Oh...my God....
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#929177 - 09/22/08 09:40 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
stillinscrubs
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I know one or two anglers who are pissed at me becuase I won't tell them how to make that fly. I'll share it in time. I have several o0ther posts to do...

Anyhoo....the fins that are clipped by Lake superior state are not the adipose fin. They cut pectoral, lateral, etc each year class has a different fins on a different side cut. Look at the website. The webcam is pretty cool right now, you casn watch pink salmon, chinook, coho, steelhead, atlantics, and some others.......


Who's ready for the next 1.5 miles of river?

Scrubs

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#930149 - 09/23/08 01:32 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: stillinscrubs]
trealtree
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I dont need your maps, but go ahead and post it. It could help someone that has never fished the river. This really could help the TWRA raise more money for the fisheries. Good job!
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#930633 - 09/23/08 04:56 PM Re: The chute to below congo bottoms [Re: Tubakka]
OldHunter
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That's an awesome fish, congrats.
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