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#880024 - 08/21/08 05:51 PM Re: For the guides [Re: captain hook]
bowriter
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A Dewey button.
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#880046 - 08/21/08 06:04 PM Re: For the guides [Re: bowriter]
captain hook
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
A Dewey button.


Now I am really lost.
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#880049 - 08/21/08 06:06 PM Re: For the guides [Re: bowriter]
Fordman
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
You know, funny thing about this guide business. It's a lot of work and the pay is usually less than minimum wage.


I don't know about your side of guiding but mine certainly pays more then minimum wage. It used to be that during peak season I could make 45,000+, not getting rich but certainly paying the bills and definitely making more then min. wage. I retired mostly because of the need for health insurance, and to pursue a professional career. I still guide quite a bit but nothing like when I was full time and it was my profession.



I made a he11 of a lot more than that but when you divide it by the hours you get a different picture. Then take out the expenses and you get real good picture. It sounds really neat to say you took in over a quarter million this year until you take out the $200,000 in actual costs. I can bank $25k sitting on my butt writing stories.

It's all relative.


Captian Hook, I am not trying to start a argument at all here, did you guide for a shop or independantly? At 350 a trip I calculate my time, generally 12 hours for a full day, fuel for the boat, take 15% and stash it for boat repair/ replace/upgrade fund, 10% into truck account for tires and vehicle maint, money for guide liences, insurance, food and rods,reels,lines,flies.
I do it because I love it not becasue a fella can get rich doing it. By the way who is charging the 500.00 a day that Tubs speaks of?

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#880057 - 08/21/08 06:11 PM Re: For the guides [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Rule of thumb for some of...don't post the ones that will make you money.

Pat from Bowsite just won a deal against Youtube and I made them back down on a deal a few weeks ago. It may be getting better but once that sucker becomes public, to the way of thinking of some, it is public property.

You've learned well, Troy.


Yep got burnt once and just spent three weeks trying to get one of my photos removed from another website... took several hours and one letter from a very convincing lawyer to get it done.

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#880080 - 08/21/08 06:22 PM Re: For the guides [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
A Dewey button.


Now I am really lost.


Yeah. I didn't think you were that old. Dewey ran for president. Lost.
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#880092 - 08/21/08 06:31 PM Re: For the guides [Re: Fordman]
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Yep got burnt once and just spent three weeks trying to get one of my photos removed from another website... took several hours and one letter from a very convincing lawyer to get it done.


If any of you guides need one of those letters from a "very convincing lawyer," give me a call.

I make more than minimum wage though.

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (08/21/08 06:32 PM)

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#880368 - 08/21/08 08:50 PM Re: For the guides [Re: Fordman]
captain hook
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 Originally Posted By: Troy Basso
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
You know, funny thing about this guide business. It's a lot of work and the pay is usually less than minimum wage.


I don't know about your side of guiding but mine certainly pays more then minimum wage. It used to be that during peak season I could make 45,000+, not getting rich but certainly paying the bills and definitely making more then min. wage. I retired mostly because of the need for health insurance, and to pursue a professional career. I still guide quite a bit but nothing like when I was full time and it was my profession.



I made a he11 of a lot more than that but when you divide it by the hours you get a different picture. Then take out the expenses and you get real good picture. It sounds really neat to say you took in over a quarter million this year until you take out the $200,000 in actual costs. I can bank $25k sitting on my butt writing stories.

It's all relative.


Captian Hook, I am not trying to start a argument at all here, did you guide for a shop or independantly? At 350 a trip I calculate my time, generally 12 hours for a full day, fuel for the boat, take 15% and stash it for boat repair/ replace/upgrade fund, 10% into truck account for tires and vehicle maint, money for guide liences, insurance, food and rods,reels,lines,flies.
I do it because I love it not becasue a fella can get rich doing it. By the way who is charging the 500.00 a day that Tubs speaks of?


I worked independently in a way. I worked for an outfitter, which did not take a cut of my pay, but we had a shop which also booked trips for us occasionally, they did not take a cut from me either. We were $375.00 a day, no fuel for the boat, no real depreciation because of where we guided, and I only had to drive 5 mins to get to the river. So my overhead was really really low. I also was in a revolving circle of repeat clients who were great tippers, I averaged $60 and many times came out with $100 any day above average. Our days were 8 hours on the water give or take, and pretty much every day from May-Sept we were out and 4 days a week during March, April,and October. The rest were pretty slow to say the least.

I had some other income which offset much of the other expenses, flies, tying stuff, terminal tackle etc. I guess I should have subtracted it but was really just trying to generalize.

Also, I was in my prime during the hay day of pharma reps and them entertaining docs. The trips were free to them so the tips were abnormally high. Fishing on our rivers at that time was similar to how the Caney is now, and we had no competition then either.

I loved guiding, and still guide quite a bit. More for supplemental income now, and because I enjoy it. I love telling stories and entertaining people as well as watching folks get excited over things that might not raise my eyebrow if I wasn't guiding.

It is a great profession and I wish I could make enough to support my lifestyle and material needs. I do think that someday I will return to full time guiding, and hopefully will get the chance before I am too old and decrepit.
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