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#875355 - 08/19/08 09:23 AM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Tubakka]
gil1
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Missed you Tubs. I had forgotten. You can be gone for a while, and all is peaceful around here. Two quick posts, and you have already reminded us all how great you are and how worthless everyone else is [except those few of your jerk ( I mean jerkbait) caliber].

I met two guys that know you from Tech. They were just as impressed as the rest of us are.
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#875712 - 08/19/08 12:09 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: ]
Tubakka
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This post has nothing to do with me...I was complimenting Shore. But the fact remains...this was never anything against flyfishing...just the attitude behind it. Here's a guy that is not considered "pro" but is fishing most if not ALL of the "professional" guides under the table....point made...no patches, no fancy waders or boat...no Orvis anything. Facts. Knowledge. Persistence. That's it. That's the whole game. The rest are just tools, and obviously...no offense...every person I've taken fishing from Tech has been grateful I've shown them what I know on the Caney. I'd like tok now names...because I have a feeling you're fabricating. I talk to most of my tech friends all the time...4-5 now no longer flyfish the Caney after fishing with me. At least not for big fish...or numbers. But it's not really about that.


Captain Cook....I'll already have a fish on the hook by the time you're completing your third back cast....just saying. The technique may catch fish, but it focuses too much on eccentricities and extraneous notions like "matching the hatch" and "attention to detail". Those fish in the Caney specifically are not really tuning into that...the only time I've seen them be that picky was during a shad kill, and then it was just getting something to float ont he surface just like a shad and twitch it a bit, easily accomplished with little rapalas. It takes too much time, too much money, and is not necessarily to catch trout, and is probably not the most ideal to hook and land the biggest trout. This wasn't directed towards flyfishing in general even, just how ridiculous it is that inferior angler have made a living hiding behind a projection of knowledge and professionalism...when rednecks to the left and right of them have been making them look bad.


...I'm a real jerk for taking people out, giving them baits, and sharing many many hours of info for free. A real jerk...I'd really like to know which two you met, because the 8 that I've been fishing with were very pleasedw ith the results of my programs. And can't wait for me to come back up and fish with them.

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#875771 - 08/19/08 12:41 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Tubakka]
gil1
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
I'm a real jerk

So far, that's the only thing I can recall your ever saying that made me think you had a clue. I don't think I've ever gotten personal with any other of the thousands of posters on this site, but I'm tired of your rants.

I congratulate Shore, too, and that and the shad kill are perfectly legitimate reading on this post. But that's not your way. It doesn't matter the topic, you find a way to rant about how great you are. You are condescending to all of the rest of us.

Shore uses your technique, and he has never once bashed any other method or person. Being weak of character doesn't give you the right to slam others just to make yourself feel better.

I'm done and will allow this thread to hopefully go back to the shad kill.
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#875803 - 08/19/08 01:15 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: gil1]
Hangnail
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Well, I guess the arrogant fisherman net missed one. I assumed that the net was for bass fishermen. Now I can add a trout fisherman. Since you have Tech buddies, the best Caney trout guy I've ever met once coached up there. I'm sure you couldn't carrry his joc..., creel.
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#875902 - 08/19/08 02:06 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: ]
bob
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Tubs how many 20" fish have you or your cronies caught on a fly. Not to put down gear but just about anyone can cast a spinning rod and jerk bait. The fact is most guides I know can catch fish anyway they want. They just chose to do it the hard way because Trout are so darn stupid and easy to catch. What about you big boy,, how many 20ís you got on a fly? Thatís what I thought. Put up or shut up.

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#875995 - 08/19/08 03:08 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: bob]
bob
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In tubs honor I thought I'd make two posts for one reply??

It is after all a river stocked every other month with thousands upon thousands of stupid fish willing to eat just about anything. Lay off the Ego maniac pills man.

BTW how many Boneís you got so far? How about Snook, Tarpon, or Wahoo? Bet you really slay them lady fish with that jerkbait donít ya. Come on great master of all waters far and near, share the pics of those monster saltwater fish you been catching on the all inclusive all fish slaying, husky jerk. We all want to see themÖ. Real fishing is a b!tch isnít it?



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#876130 - 08/19/08 04:24 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: shorefisherman]
shorefisherman
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Uhhh oh!!!...In before fordman chimes in \:D
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#876338 - 08/19/08 07:12 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: ]
Fordman
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The only thing I have to add is that it sounds like Shorefisherman had a great day on the fork. Glad to hear it.
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#879333 - 08/21/08 09:58 AM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Fordman]
Tubakka
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HAHA...you guys still enver got it. Well, to be honest...I don't see any pics from you guys, so how can I assume? We've fished along side down river of guides many times nad outfished them. NOthing personal...shared pics and the works. You fish with whatever you want, if you're a cool guy and are open to new tactics, I have no problem. Once again, I fish with flyfishermen, but they're not morons. The people who know me know I really don't have an ego, I'm just very outspoken and when I have an opinion I have it for a reason and will hold to it until proven otherwise. I have seen so many poor anglers out there on that river who are just weekend guys get conned into this stupid stupid game that yuo're not really fishing out there until you fly fish. Been at the ramp when its a HUGE deal for a guy to pay 500 bucks a day and he the cornerstone fish of the day is a 20" fish, when some rednecks pull up next with 2-3 that size and a 24". Here's what I'm saying...

...you say that jerkbait fishing is easy. To cast and throw a jerkbait? Yes, I won't argue that...but you can do that till your blue in the face, but if youd on't know how and where to throw the bait nor what to do with it you won't catch fish no matter WHAT you're doing. Fly fishing just complicated the very process of getting the lure to the fish in the first place, and I've yet to see a presentation, at least for BROWN trout [rainbows are a different story, but Istill think one could do just as well with eggs or worms presented well, if not better] that can outproduce big jerkbaits...they're too versatile, efficient, and they trigger the instinct of piscivorous browns unlike any other thing I've seen. It's not a feeding instinct, it's areaction strike most of the time, and you can make a following brown commit just like a following musky with those baits. "PURIST" is one of the most arrogant terms I'VE ever heard, meaning "you're too good to use the plebiean methods"...WHO CARES WHAT YOU CATCH THEM ON! I fished alongside a REAL guide who made 80000-90000 a year guiding CEntral TN and Port St. Jo in Florida as a fly guide, and we would joke back and forth about which method was better and still do in good spirits, but man...most of the time, guess who walked out the winner? It wasn't about that...but all I nkow is what I observe. I don't see ANY pics up here from other anglers on the Caney of any sizable fish to speak of besides what I, Shore,and Biglures put up from our [their, now] trips. Simply for validation of what we say...

Arrogant? That fly guide out of BPS put a frickin' Ictus John 3:16 fish on his card! And he STOLE spots from people, would ask for their knowledge without paying, and THEN go charge people to take them out. What...a...joke...but hey, there were people that thought he was some kind of pro because he held a flyrod and worked in a fly shop. I guess that's why he never liked my pictures to occasionally find their way on that board...

...in fact, I referenced fly fishermen who I overheard talking about hiring him out on the river one day, telling them I knew a young man from Tech whom I was good friends with who would be happy to show them flyfishing on the Caney, and gave them his number and hours he could be reached at BPS when he worked there. When those folks called the shop looking for this young man, the guy went into a fit, saying "how this kid was taking clients away from him"...did he really deserve them in the first place? Btw, Troy, Mr. Simms? I've referenced guys wanting to flyfishing down on the Caney to you two, although to be quite frank, I throw the more seasoned trophy hunters who ask to Mr. Anderson. He's got the pics to prove it...Not a better angler in Central TN I had yet to meet. But I also say...for alot less money and alot less headache...they can catch probably just as many fish and more likely bigger fish doing what I do than that. And that's true...


Btw, any of you GUIDES willing to try putting some big ol live trout behind planer boards? Oh wait...purist...my bad. I bet you guys also believe that missionary is the ONLY way to go huh?...


Edited by Tubakka (08/21/08 09:59 AM)

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#879346 - 08/21/08 10:04 AM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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Snook and reds? Well...I've got a buddy down here who knwos alot about it, but I've yet to be abnle to buckle down adn get the tackle ands uch to throw into it. I've been with him a couple times and so far, my best red has been 48" and snook was 43", but he's taken reds to 60" and snook to 50"...throwing jigs off a pier in the outgoing tide. Guy's an artist though...I've never seen a guy be able to interpret bottom structure with simply his bait, using a jig...he draws out the structure with his mind. Oh yeah, and then he comes up to TN and trout fishes and does alright, but then goes striper fishing below Cordell and gets fish to 53 lbs doing the EXACT SAME THING. Amazing angler...
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