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#871632 - 08/16/08 06:17 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: shorefisherman]
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#875285 - 08/19/08 08:49 AM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Buck Nekkid]
Tubakka
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I want to take this opportunity to brag on Shore. I miss fishing with this guy, and there is not an angler more successful on the Caney for brown trout than he...maybe some just as, and I think we're both learning what it takes to get the Admirals [I categorize trout into rank...since there are so many different distinct size classes...Admiral being anything over 30-32"...Grand Admiral being a 35-36", which I'm sure do exist in there]. I also want to say how amusing it is to see a good buddy of mine, an "amateur" if you will [haha] going out and doing something that I would be willing to put money down saying no upstart fly guide out of Nashville has even come close to scathing. 5 browns over 20", up to 25" in a single outing, mixed with stripers? Yeah...probably not. And yet, they charge HOW much? And people wonder why I have a bad taste in my mouth...stupid stupid stupid. Do what works. Period. Obviously...this pattern is more than just stupid chuck and duck...its efficient and because of that, if you apply knowledge to it, its deadly. Why complicate the process? You can play basketball in clown shoes, sure, but what does that prove? I'm not down on all guides out there, alot of them are really decent chaps, but I still find it so amusing that their marketing angle isn't so much what or how much they catch but more...WHAT they catch it ON....which to me, is sheer whimsical farce.
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#875297 - 08/19/08 08:55 AM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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For instance, I knew a gentleman out of the BPS fly shop who went around proclaiming to be a guide [using borrowed knowledge from a great flyfishing friend who now incorporates jerkbaits in his arsenal as well....smart guy]had the brochure and everything...Orvis patches, the works...man, he was "PRO"...and yet, when I asked him the biggest fish out of the Caney he had...oh 22" and that was a fluke above and beyond. I didn't tell him we were averaging 2-3 a trip that size, and sometimes hooking into as many as 8-9 including some whoppers. But somehow...because this guy wore the right stuff and had the right tackle, he was paid BIG BUCKS and now works for some fish-in-a-barrel place in GA "guiding" people to starving trophy trout...tigers don't traditionally eat tofu, but if you keep them lockjawed for a few weeks, and then throw some in there, I don't think they're going to be too picky. Stuff like that...irks me. That and the fact he would take down my pictures when he found out they weren't "Caught on fly rod"...seriously. Heck, I've just been around the right people down here talking fishing, and have been asked to do some destination trips. Probably too much red tape for me to do it, but I might "tag along" to "help out"...you know. I don't feel guilty for that when approached, as opposed to yay-hoos who dress up and PRETEND like they know what they're doing....this is NOT all guides out there and not especially on the Caney, but these people do exist and there are a few out there. Just saying...
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#875355 - 08/19/08 09:23 AM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Tubakka]
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Missed you Tubs. I had forgotten. You can be gone for a while, and all is peaceful around here. Two quick posts, and you have already reminded us all how great you are and how worthless everyone else is [except those few of your jerk ( I mean jerkbait) caliber].

I met two guys that know you from Tech. They were just as impressed as the rest of us are.
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#875477 - 08/19/08 10:25 AM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: gil1]
captain hook
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I want to go fly fish with you Flubs. I want to really crush your spirit and make you feel as inferior as you try to make others feel. Anytime, and anywhere I am ready to embarass you and silence your spew.

Admirals.....might be the queerest thing I have ever heard in describing a fish.
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#875712 - 08/19/08 12:09 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: captain hook]
Tubakka
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This post has nothing to do with me...I was complimenting Shore. But the fact remains...this was never anything against flyfishing...just the attitude behind it. Here's a guy that is not considered "pro" but is fishing most if not ALL of the "professional" guides under the table....point made...no patches, no fancy waders or boat...no Orvis anything. Facts. Knowledge. Persistence. That's it. That's the whole game. The rest are just tools, and obviously...no offense...every person I've taken fishing from Tech has been grateful I've shown them what I know on the Caney. I'd like tok now names...because I have a feeling you're fabricating. I talk to most of my tech friends all the time...4-5 now no longer flyfish the Caney after fishing with me. At least not for big fish...or numbers. But it's not really about that.


Captain Cook....I'll already have a fish on the hook by the time you're completing your third back cast....just saying. The technique may catch fish, but it focuses too much on eccentricities and extraneous notions like "matching the hatch" and "attention to detail". Those fish in the Caney specifically are not really tuning into that...the only time I've seen them be that picky was during a shad kill, and then it was just getting something to float ont he surface just like a shad and twitch it a bit, easily accomplished with little rapalas. It takes too much time, too much money, and is not necessarily to catch trout, and is probably not the most ideal to hook and land the biggest trout. This wasn't directed towards flyfishing in general even, just how ridiculous it is that inferior angler have made a living hiding behind a projection of knowledge and professionalism...when rednecks to the left and right of them have been making them look bad.


...I'm a real jerk for taking people out, giving them baits, and sharing many many hours of info for free. A real jerk...I'd really like to know which two you met, because the 8 that I've been fishing with were very pleasedw ith the results of my programs. And can't wait for me to come back up and fish with them.

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#875771 - 08/19/08 12:41 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Tubakka]
gil1
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
I'm a real jerk

So far, that's the only thing I can recall your ever saying that made me think you had a clue. I don't think I've ever gotten personal with any other of the thousands of posters on this site, but I'm tired of your rants.

I congratulate Shore, too, and that and the shad kill are perfectly legitimate reading on this post. But that's not your way. It doesn't matter the topic, you find a way to rant about how great you are. You are condescending to all of the rest of us.

Shore uses your technique, and he has never once bashed any other method or person. Being weak of character doesn't give you the right to slam others just to make yourself feel better.

I'm done and will allow this thread to hopefully go back to the shad kill.
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#875803 - 08/19/08 01:15 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: gil1]
Hangnail
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Well, I guess the arrogant fisherman net missed one. I assumed that the net was for bass fishermen. Now I can add a trout fisherman. Since you have Tech buddies, the best Caney trout guy I've ever met once coached up there. I'm sure you couldn't carrry his joc..., creel.
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#875853 - 08/19/08 01:46 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: Hangnail]
captain hook
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Yeah Tubs please please please take me up on my offer. Personally I don't do a lot of backcasting, and kind of have an idea or two about how to control a flyrod and know one or two things about catching greasy trout. Ask 7mm08 he can vouch.

Anytime, anywhere, you need to be put in your place and there is no one better to do it then me.
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#875902 - 08/19/08 02:06 PM Re: Shad kill !!! [Re: captain hook]
bob
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Tubs how many 20" fish have you or your cronies caught on a fly. Not to put down gear but just about anyone can cast a spinning rod and jerk bait. The fact is most guides I know can catch fish anyway they want. They just chose to do it the hard way because Trout are so darn stupid and easy to catch. What about you big boy,, how many 20ís you got on a fly? Thatís what I thought. Put up or shut up.

Edited by bob (08/19/08 03:16 PM)

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