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#851288 - 08/03/08 05:24 PM Re: Garz [Re: RUGER]
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#852034 - 08/04/08 09:01 AM Re: Garz [Re: ]
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Good Lord Richard, I thought I broke of using them ole tired cliches \:\)

Good story. I would have called it "How To Rope A Dope." That way you get your boxers, your pot heads and your regular readers, too. Wait. Okay. So it is the same demographics.

Never mind.
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#852040 - 08/04/08 09:02 AM Re: Garz [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: tink69
what do you after you caught them? kill them?eat'em?what? just curious


I just chunk 'em back in the water....
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#852041 - 08/04/08 09:07 AM Re: Garz [Re: bowriter]
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Injuns use to fling em on the bank and wait till they rotted out of they shells then made all sorts of things out of hulls. I reckon, according to an account by some dirt sifter in MS, they took the really bigs and made a form of body armour.

Dang, don't you know that was hot and itchy. But they found a totem kinda thing up around Cahokia close to the confuence of the Big Muddy and MO that depicted the head of an alligator gar that was over three feet across. I reckon Indians lied, too.

Memory aint jack anymore but isn't the world record alligator gar from somewhere around the mouth of the Rio Grande and something like 280 pounds?
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#852152 - 08/04/08 10:13 AM Re: Garz [Re: bowriter]
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Several wildlife/fisheries agencies are stocking gator gar, now.
Including TWRA and MDWFP.
TWRA stocked some in Hatchie a while back.

Since we are sharing gar stories, here's another...ran in a few locales a few weeks ago.

Gar Fishing, Not For The Lily-Livered
By Taylor Wilson

LOWER LAKE, Saridis, Miss. — “Ummmm…a day fishing AND talking like a pirate, what more can you ask for…?”
I laughed at the thought, leaning against the trunk of a tree and waiting for my fishing partners to arrive at the Sardis Lower Lake ramp.
“GARRRR, me hearty, swab the deck of the johnboat, will ya…?”
“GARRRR, there, matey! I be telling’ ya to watch that critter’s teeth or your apt to get ripped, infected and sent down to Davey Jones’ locker!”
“GARRRR, thar be one at starboard!”
I mean, the pirate-talk possibilities were endless, and hey, there was always the chance it would get on my fishing bud’s last nerve…another bonus for a smart aleck like myself.
But me thoughts were interrupted with the arrival of my friend Mark Beason, editor of the Mississippi Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks’ (MDWFP) Mississippi Outdoors magazine. Joining us on the adventure was MDWFP fisheries biologist Justin Wilson.
And alas, my pirate notion was soon abandoned and the lingo even forgotten.
Beason, a self-professed gar expert (“and one of very few”) soon had the crew on the water and catching fish.
Heck, I even caught the first one, so it kind of proves he does know what he was doing.
“That’s a pretty good gar,” I said pulling the long-nosed critter along side the boat. I figured it weighed 8- to 10 pounds.
“Oh, that’s just a pup,” Beason said.
And shiver me timbers, if he wasn’t correct.
We went on to catch a bunch of ’em, and all bigger than the first.
MDWFP biologist Justin, who is originally from South Dakota (so Beason and I labeled him a Yankee), might have talked differently than a couple of rednecks, but he had no problem landing gar. He caught the most and the biggest, many in the 20- to 30-pound range.
“Oh, you can catch the state record (longnose), if you want to seriously go to the effort,” Beason said.
Throughout the trip, as I saw more and more gar caught and others surfacing, I began to agree.
Gar fishing can be a rough and tough business. There are various tools you need…pliers, channel locks, etc. Beason uses a hacksaw and tin-shears to clean ’em. Oh yes, he cleans a few to cook. (We have previously published some recipes for gar in MSHFN, by the way.)
The basic method for catching them is to use a white, 3/8-inch frayed rope. There are no hooks. He uses a wire brush to increase the fray in the rope’s strands. The more wooly the better. The same is said for usage, the more gar you catch with one, the better it works.
The frayed strands are attached to a swivel (via some wrapped mono), and then attached to your line.
Beason also uses a bullet weight, which aids in casting. He periodically douses the frayed clump with various fish attractants.
In the water, the frays look something like a big jig, flaring with a twitch. And of course, when something with teeth like a gar grabs it…well, it’s caught and the battle is on.
“Sometimes, people that are used to setting the hook have trouble getting the hang of it. But basically, you feel the weight of the bite, let the fish tangle itself, and then begin the battle,” Beason said.
(Tip: periodically check your line for nicks and abrasions…there will be a lot gar fishing. You will need to re-tie more often to assure line strength.)
We caught a lot of fish near the 20-pound mark, and later in the afternoon the fish seemed to be surfacing nearly everywhere we looked.
The hotter the weather, the better, Beason said.
“One of my friends always asks after a gar fishing trip, ‘is anyone bleeding?’” Beason laughed. “Now, that’s funny, but… it can be true at times, too. You have to be careful handling these fish.
“And yes, a lot of people talk the trash fish stuff, and belittle it, but I think it is the closest thing to saltwater fishing in this region. You can catch a lot of them, and they put up a heck of a fight!”
GARRRR, all in all, it was no day of piracy puns, but hey, it was definitely a battle(s) at Sardis, if not sea. And at the end of the trip, all I could really say was, “yo-ho-ho!”

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#852163 - 08/04/08 10:20 AM Re: Garz [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Injuns use to fling em on the bank and wait till they rotted out of they shells then made all sorts of things out of hulls. I reckon, according to an account by some dirt sifter in MS, they took the really bigs and made a form of body armour.

Dang, don't you know that was hot and itchy. But they found a totem kinda thing up around Cahokia close to the confuence of the Big Muddy and MO that depicted the head of an alligator gar that was over three feet across. I reckon Indians lied, too.

Memory aint jack anymore but isn't the world record alligator gar from somewhere around the mouth of the Rio Grande and something like 280 pounds?


When I was kid my Dad, and avid bowhunter, did this and used gar hide as an arm guard. However the first time he did it, he made the mistake of placing it on his with scales facing backward. Oops... first shot the gar hide arm guard sliced his bow string right in two.

Obviously he figured out to wear it scales facing forward. It worked great and he wore it many years.
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#852255 - 08/04/08 11:24 AM Re: Garz [Re: rsimms]
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So that's why they call it an arm "garred"...?

No doubt, the armor lingers...post coyotes, post buzzards...still there.

Never fished for the big gator gars, but they tell me because of their tooth design...the big ones are NOT going to be caught on frayed rope.

Fella that caught a 100-plus pounder said he caught it on a "whole chicken".

I know another guy that shot a big gator gar with bow...saw that on video.

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#852369 - 08/04/08 12:25 PM Re: Garz [Re: Taylor]
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Taylor-they use to make a gar hook. You could buy them in three or four sizes from big to way dam big and the way dam big ones would hold a dead shicken. And if you straightened one out, it made a great frog gig (not legal in LA)
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#852434 - 08/04/08 01:11 PM Re: Garz [Re: bowriter]
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Judging from some of the 'gator gar photos I have seen, one has to wonder if anybody makes a hook too big for 'em.

I am interested in this re-stocking effort, though. I think there is a nursery in MS where they are acquiring them for stocking efforts.

Wonder if a big one will show up one day, in an area where they had previously been wiped out?

(not legal in LA...isn't that some sort of oxymoron?)

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#852498 - 08/04/08 01:54 PM Re: Garz [Re: Taylor]
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In LA there is no such thing as an oxymoron. It is either edible or it isn't. If you can beat it with a hammer until it bends, it is edible.
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