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#843240 - 07/29/08 10:38 AM B.A.S.S. Tournaments
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OK, I just gotta know.

Why is it that you never see some guy with a flyrod fishing for bass on a B.A.S.S, or FLW tournament? Is it like NASCAR were they want everybody to have the same lures, plugs, spinners, worms, (kind of like restrictor plates)?

What are the rules regarding rods, methods, rod lengths that would prohibit such a thing?
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#843247 - 07/29/08 10:43 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: 7mm08]
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Why in the world would you want to fish with a flyrod in a bass tourny? You can fish with one if a person wants to
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#843319 - 07/29/08 11:38 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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Because real men use flippin' sticks , not wimpy little flyrods . \:D
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#843401 - 07/29/08 12:32 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: 7mm08]
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Bass fishing doesn't lend itself to fly fishing. You can catch bass on a flyrod, but most days you'll do better on gear. Bass don't spend their time eating tiny little bugs like trout do.

Fly fishing is sort of like bow hunting. Most enthusiasts don't do it because it's the best way to catch the most in the fastest amount of time - they do it because it's fun. I know a lot of guys who love to bow hunt. A couple are so into it that they bow hunt exclusively with recurves. They are hardcore hunters and know more about stalking big bucks than I ever will.

I don't think any of them would grab a recurve and go hope to compete in a deer hunting contest against a bunch of guys with rifles though.

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#843413 - 07/29/08 12:45 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: B.D.]
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I was asking to be informed.

Do you guys really think we only cast little flies to bass? Do you think that all fly lines float? Think you got the only gear that rattles?

I quess all the marlin, sails, tarpon, salmon that were caught on flyrods cannot possibly hold a candle to some 8lb largemouth?

PS..What's a tournament got to do with anything? Isn't it about catching, which requires knowledge thrown in with some science about thermaclines, food, breeding etc. in order to get a fish to bite. I didn't know it was about Spiderwire and plugs.


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#843415 - 07/29/08 12:48 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: 7mm08]
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As far as I know it is against the rules to fish with a flyrod in a BASS tournament.
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#843429 - 07/29/08 12:56 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: Headhunter]
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Thank you, Headhunter.

Now why?


PSS.. Ranking in a tournament is only based on the weigh in at the end of the day...not absolute numbers of fish, correct?


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#843495 - 07/29/08 01:48 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: 7mm08]
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I believe there is a limit on the length of rod you can use. But I can give you the single overiding factor in why no bass tournament guys use flyrods.

They want to win. They are not fishing for fun. They are fishing for a living and to make a living, they have to win. It is that simple.
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#843564 - 07/29/08 02:23 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: bowriter]
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So your assuming that a "real" tournament fisherman can out perform an experienced flyfisherman for bass?

What exactly can a "real" tournament fisherman do that say I couldn't do with a flyrod? The only serious thing I can think of is make about 20% more casts in a day, which would give you a few more chances. Other than that I can't think of anything more that would give them an advantage.
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#843590 - 07/29/08 02:34 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: 7mm08]
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Why do you want to argue? You asked a question. I answered your question as honestly as I could, as did others. Now you want to measure johnsons over flyrods and other tackle.

Why?

But I'll answer your question. They can win consistently and you can't. You can have a good day here and there but day in and day out, fishing the cover and brush etc., they can switch rods and lures and skim bass across the surface and you can't. Yet the biggest stringer of smallmouth I ever caught, I caught on a flyrod. But I could never do it again and tournament fishing is about consistent hook sets and getting the fish in the boat.

Now quit trying to start a pissing contest.
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#843606 - 07/29/08 02:41 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: bowriter]
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You can't sell over priced plastic lures mass produced in China. That's one reason.

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#843631 - 07/29/08 03:05 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: bob]
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Bob- you could if you could win. You can't sell jack finishing 152nd.
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#843664 - 07/29/08 03:28 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: bowriter]
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Not a pissing contest. Last thing I want to do is be covered in stickers that includes what gum I chew when I fish.

Ever heard of popping bugs, and I don't mean the 4 for a dollar you probably buy at KMart
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#843710 - 07/29/08 04:04 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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Yes it does. But not when you have skid them across the surface and jerk them out of heavy cover. That's how you win tournaments.

Nobody is questioning if you can catch bass on a flyrod. The question is about tournaments. Catching bass and winning tournaments are often two diffrent things.

Later this year I am taking Gill bass fishing. I expect him to catch a five fish stringer of at least 30 pounds. I also expect him to get at least one rod broken. But I'll let him report on it. If we get the fish in open water, he'll do fine. If they are back in the thicket, he is screwed. Same with a tournament.
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#843747 - 07/29/08 04:34 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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Hmmm The headless fisherman.

You just said exactly what I have been saying. BTW- Dang nice brown fish. Back in about 78, I had a stringer off Dale Hollow that averaged five pounds. That was when the limit was 10. Used a frog lookin popping bug. Would kill for a picture of that string.
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#843762 - 07/29/08 04:44 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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Beautiful fish.
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#845271 - 07/30/08 12:45 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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Well, I guess that finally answered his freakin question. It only took a dozen similar replies to do it. Why would you want to start some idiotic crap like that?

let me do it \:\)
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#845348 - 07/30/08 01:41 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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I wasn't getting this one either, was there actually a point to any of it?
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#845532 - 07/30/08 03:24 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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I love to fly fish, tie my own, whole deal. Having said that, I never in my life wondered why no one on the BASS tour was flyfishing, it's just not the most efficient method to catch them most of the time.

I'm also the furthest thing from a flyfishing purist, I like to catch fish period, a flyrod is just one of many ways to achieve that.
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#845711 - 07/30/08 05:47 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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Just for fun:) They don't have a rod length limit in the Crappie Classic either and you still don't see guys chunking Blue Olives on fly rods, it's just obvious that the best methods are being employed by the competitors based on the situations they encounter. I think if there were anything goes trout tourneys (on rivers) you would see a lot more guys chunking lead than you would like to admit, because it works.
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#845741 - 07/30/08 06:11 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: MFBAB]
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I think there are times when flies work better than anything else, but that's rare. Fly South had a couple of bass tournaments last summer. The weigh-ins during the dog days were sad.

On one day, nobody legally weighed in a fish. As I recall, Dunigan won that day with one spotted bass. Others threw their spots back, but the lawyer in Dunigan convinced the officials that it was a legal fish and won the whole enchilada.

My point is that I don't believe that we fly boys can compete day in day out. If the fish are deep or suspended, the buggy whips are in a world of hurt.

We fly boys are much better looking and have more fun, though.
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#845755 - 07/30/08 06:21 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: gil1]
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Hook, I know there are other flies to use, lots of them. Which ones are being used on BASS or CRAPPIE topurneys? Oh yeah, none of them. I give up.
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#845822 - 07/30/08 07:01 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: tribeless
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We fly boys are much better looking and have more fun, though.


I think that is ENTIRELY subjective!


Maybe the "fun" part, but not the "good looking" part. \:D
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#846392 - 07/31/08 06:42 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: gil1]
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I think I'll start the day by throwing my hands up and having a fit. Might as well get it over with. \:\)
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#846396 - 07/31/08 06:43 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: bowriter]
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My friend, Gary "Bad To Gag" Gremillion use to throw his hands and lunch up and have a fit. He sounded like a spooked blue herron when he did it.

He fished with flyrods a lot. He was way ahead of his time, though. He had so many flies stuck in his ears he looked like a punk rocker.
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#846428 - 07/31/08 07:09 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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I'm good for mornings. The least little thing can set me off like turpentine on a hemmerhoid.
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#846429 - 07/31/08 07:11 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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I almost got a Woolly Bugger earring one time, it was a super windy day on the White River and we were fishing the Bassmaster Classic. It didn't make ESPN though because Van Dam and the other guys all went to Clarks Hill at the last minute.
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#846677 - 07/31/08 09:12 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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I had to do some stream-side surgery on my buddy - super bugger.

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#846732 - 07/31/08 09:47 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
You need to learn to cast gil.

Very true, but I was not responsible for this one. This was one of those self-inflicted battle wounds. While he bitched at me, I told him I would only help him if he let me take a pic. My only role in this incident was to laugh hysterically and do a little surgery.
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#846733 - 07/31/08 09:48 AM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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Ouch! My wife hung a CDR in my ear a couple of years ago, no fun. My buddy did the fishing line around the hook trick and told me he was pulling it out on 3 but he ripped that sucker clean on 1, dirty trick but it kept me from flinching.
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#847025 - 07/31/08 12:22 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: MFBAB]
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Looks as if this thread has been there and back and now is on some fine body piercing artwork.

For those that calmly answered my question which was intended not to insult those that fish BASS tourneys, but to answer a question I have had for years, but none of my fishing friends knew the answer,...a big Thank you.

For those that acted as if I was trying to get Jackie Robinson into major league baseball I will preface my questions next time so that you can either cut your medications in half or double the dose so that you keep your blood pressure under control.

For those that don't think one can catch something with a flyrod at 15ft or deeper or around stumps, I would ask you to contact the 30 or more stripers I have caught in the past month alone that were holding at 15-25ft, or the redfish and trout that came out of the spartina grass, or around oyster beds on the coast, but they can't talk.

I will in the future NEVER try to ask a question on this board that would make someone of "limited experience" be insulted that I would possibly be intruding or insulting on "their territory". Enjoy your fishing your way, I will enjoy mine and strive to be the best I can be. It certainly does not take a contest to prove that.

On the lighter side: flies I have removed from streamside..







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#847116 - 07/31/08 01:15 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: ]
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7mm - Great facial piercing pics.!

BTW, in my commentary, I didn't mean to suggest that we fly boys can't catch deep fish. My thought process is that along with many other reasons why the conventional folks have an advantage, another is that they can cover more water and quicker. Waiting for a Teeny line to sink before retrieving would take more time than yanking a deep-diving plug back to get it to its required depth.

Not that we can't catch deep fish - only that we can't consistently compete with conventional anglers in deep water.
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#847178 - 07/31/08 02:02 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: gil1]
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What Gil said. I love to fly fish but I think most of the time you are doing it you have to accept that you are handicapping yourself somewhat-not always, that's part of the allure for myself and many others I'm sure. A fish caught on fur and feathers, especially if you tied it yourself, means a little more sometimes.
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#847343 - 07/31/08 03:05 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: MFBAB]
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See, the question was not can you catch big fish on a flyrod. It wasn't can you catch bass on a flyrod. It was why nobody fishes a major tournament with a flyrod. It was answered very quickly. It was answered completely.

Then you turned it into something else. BTW- I love the pictures. I had a full-size Zara Spook stuck in my azze one time. I was alone. I tied the line to a tree, took two big drinks of Jack and ran to the end of the line. They could hear me scream in Nashville.

I was in Canada at the time.
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#847392 - 07/31/08 03:32 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: bowriter]
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\:D & folks wonder why fishermen wear chest waders all the time \:D mike243
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#847404 - 07/31/08 03:44 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
I was asking to be informed.

Do you guys really think we only cast little flies to bass? Do you think that all fly lines float? Think you got the only gear that rattles?

I quess all the marlin, sails, tarpon, salmon that were caught on flyrods cannot possibly hold a candle to some 8lb largemouth?


I'm late coming back to this thread. I'm sorry if you took offense to my answer, because I sure didn't mean it.

These days, I fly fish about 99.9 percent of the time. There are rare situations when I'll pull out the conventional gear, but most days, if it's possible to catch the fish on a fly, that's what I'd rather do. I also don't limit it to little flies and floating lines. I've spent my share of time throwing big streamers and weighted lines at stripers, bass, and other quarry.

BUT, having said all that, I still believe fly tackle does not lend itself to bass fishing as well as gear. Are there times when you can catch good bass on a fly? Sure. Especially in shallow rivers, or in the late spring when the fish are up shallow and feeding.

But give me a hot summer day, a baitcaster, and a handful of plastic worms and crankbaits, and I'll outfish the man with the flyrod nearly every time.

Not bashing flyrods at all - it's just that it's not the most efficient method when bass are deep and uncooperative.

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#847486 - 07/31/08 04:28 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: B.D.]
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Is it getting deep in here Mike243?
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#848013 - 07/31/08 09:14 PM Re: B.A.S.S. Tournaments [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
Because real men use flippin' sticks , not wimpy little flyrods . \:D
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