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#842046 - 07/28/08 03:33 PM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: bowriter]
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Bowriter, maybe trophy fishing isn't what most of us want. I like big browns, and have been lucky to catch a bunch of them on flies over the years. Don't know how much they weighed but most I would consider a trophy are 28"-30" long.

I think all of these rivers should be managed to let the Browns get huge, and I mean huge. Manage the rainbows to have a large portion of them be in the 16"-20" range. That is completely attainable in our waters, and would satisfy most. Sure you may have that type of fishing right now, but when the pressure spikes like it did on the clinch then the numbers of quality fish will plummet.

Whatever set of regs equals the above outcome is what I am in favor of. Anything else, is just a waste of time IMO.
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#842095 - 07/28/08 03:48 PM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: captain hook]
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So you think QDM should be statewide \:\)
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#842119 - 07/28/08 03:54 PM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: bowriter]
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Sure, but not really and I don't think restricting trout harvests a little is even comparable. Think how much $$$ TWRA could save annually if the majority of trout they stocked weren't going into someones freezer to burn up or become fertilizer in someones garden.
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#842176 - 07/28/08 04:18 PM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: captain hook]
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But you see, Capt. You are looking at trout fishing the same way some hunters look at deer hunting. That being, "What would I like?" That is the basis of QDM. That is why I support it 100% on private land and oppose it 100% statewide.

Biologically and ecologically, it is not needed. The management program inplace is biologically and ecologically sound. It just doesn't meet your criteria. And neither you or I should be allowed to force our positions on the majority.

And that is just exactly what I have been saying from the start of this whole magilla.

If I was the only one fishing the CF...or any stream, I would close it to bait fishing, go with single, barbless hooks and make it all C&R (except deeply hooked fish) regardless of fish size.

But I have aged and wizened a tad. I realize, I alone, can't pay the freight to keep that river going. I realize, depsite the volumes of rhetoric, the majority of CF fishermen don't want any changes. We who post on this forum are just as those who post on the serious deer forum. We are not the average. And neither you nor I or Brian or Gil have one bit more rights than Joe Nightcrawler. And regardless of what we want, what we know would be good for the fishery, our opinion is not one whit more important than his.

I predict next year will be a slow year on the CF. It runs in cycles and I don't like the grass situation although it does provide superb cover. But the river is due a downturn. And I also predict it will be blamed on bait fishermen...and probably me.

But I will continue, as I have for almost 35 years, to go catch all the fish I want with some big ones mixed in and if a bait flinger asks me, I'll tell him where I think he can catch some fish.

I came to realize many years ago, the CF is not my river, or yours, or Brian's or Gil's. It belongs to all of us. We should all have an equal voice in it's fishery management. I think we have that now. Is it as good as it could be? No. Not by some standards. But it is as good maybe as it should be.
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#842295 - 07/28/08 06:03 PM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: bowriter]
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I can't refute anything you said, it is all accurate to a degree and I do not disagree with most of what you said. In reality it is a very good way to look at things and a good mentality to have.

The only thing is with fisheries versus deer mgt. is that 99.999999999% of fisheries are public, therefore you can't manage with same mentality you would with deer.

Not to mention they are fish and not deer \:D
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#842792 - 07/29/08 12:05 AM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: madMax]
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I never said all flyfishers are uppercrust elitists. If you poke fun or judge the gear and techniques of others on the water..then you might be an elitist. If you confront fellow fishermen and tell them the importance of releasing legal fish they choose to keep, then you might be an elitist.

I'm 23 and when flyfishing I use a flyrod thats almost as old as I am(gift from Pops). Ive heard the jokes and we have been confronted many a time over the years while taking home fish. Of these people 100% were either C&R only flyfishers, OR they were wearing sponsored clothing. These are the outspoken few "with different goals" that I refer too as elitists.

Back to the regs- Lets assume that all "classes" of Caney fisherman out there supported tighter regs and slot 16-20" on rainbows. It gets passed and the quality of fish caught on average increases (rainbows). Word is out, 20"+ rainbows all day on the Caney, come and get you some! LEts then assume that discussion re this river continues to increase dramatically via word of mouth, articles, forums etc. More fishermen, larger fish

Then for the sake of math lets say that 300 people visited the Caney per weekend before the regs were in place:
-50 of these people practice 100% C&R on every trip.
-100 of them keep their limit of rainbows on every trip.
-The other 150 keep rainbows on occasion, otherwise its release.

After word is out about big rainbow mania 600 people now visit the river on Avg per weekend.
-100 people C&R 100%
-200 keep their limit of rainbows outside of the slot on almost every trip
-And 300 people in the middle.

MAth is the same in the end, 300 more fishermen, bigger fish, & essentially more fish kept overall. How do we offset this? More stocking? sure there might be tons of good rainbows the first few good years but isnt overharvest even more possible when you look at it this way? There are so many things to take into consideration.
I think either way the Caney will cont. to grow in popularity and crowds are going to increase regardless. Sometime in the future some kind of action will be needed.. whether its regulating commercial traffic, new regs, more stocking, etc. I hope this is one thing we can all agree on. Making everyone happy, I guess thats a whole diff story...


Edited by MaxD (07/29/08 01:05 AM)

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#842934 - 07/29/08 06:58 AM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: madMax]
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Geez. All I can say is I'm glad I don't care for trout on the table. Like Bowriter said, you shoulda been there in the late 1970's and early 1980's. It was sweet and I've never been a huge trout fan because I don't particularly like to eat them.

The similarities between river trout fishing and deer hunting and the modern outdoorsman pain me greatly. I'm sick and tired of reading about manufacturing trophies of each. Defeats the purpose on so many levels. There are huge trout in the Caney that are far too smart for 99.5% of the people that fish it. If you don't believe me, don a wetsuit and snorkel a little while on one trip instead of fishing the whole time. I'm afraid many of you are really wanting big, dumb trout. Same as big deer. I shudder to think what fishing and hunting will be like in twenty years. We're getting more like Europe every day.

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#842979 - 07/29/08 07:42 AM Re: The Mighty Caney [Re: Hangnail]
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I'm afraid Hangnail hit it on the head. As I have said so many times, there is no lack of "trophy" trout in the Caney...both Brown and Rainbow. I don't know this from a biological standpoint. I know it from an experience standpoint.

I am not a fisheries biologist. My study field was and is ungulates, specifically elk and whitetail deer. I have had to learn a little about fishery biology because of my duties in AL. But that has nothing to do with trout. But I know a healthy fish when I see one.

I can tell you, there are more big fish in the Caney today than there ever were 30 years ago. I know that because I have been fishing it that long. For ten years I guided on the Caney, sometimes four days a week. I have watched and studied that river. I have seen trout in the deep water in front of Brent's dad's farm (Kayak Boy, as Gil calls him) that would scare you. I caught a rainbow there that topped eight pounds. The fishing is better right now and has been for two years, than I have ever seen it.

But that river is so cyclical. That is going to change. It always has. We are due a couple slow years. That will be blamed on a number of factors. But 30 years ago, we just said it was a down cycle.

My concern is not with the fish or the fishermen. My concern is the safety factor involved with floatcraft flotillas. It is a recipe for disaster. Inexperienced paddlers in small boats, few if any of them wearing pfd's is just asking for a tragedy. That river can and will kill you if you mess with it long enough. Add to that, the inherent fog and unexpected generation and no knowledge of the river.

Properly done, it is as safe as nay water. Improperly done, no orientation, no warnings, just get in and paddle, somebody is going to get killed.
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