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#840131 - 07/27/08 01:08 PM Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly
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(Sorry... for long post, but lots to say)

Troy Basso, a fellow guide fellow guide and outdoor writer, was kind enough to pay the Scenic City a visit today. Troy is a hardcore flyfisherman. He had to cancel out on an April trip for spots, but I told him I felt sure we could have some fun with summertime gar. Yes... I said gar.

Troy is not a "purist." He's like me and just like to feel life on the end of his line. He ties up his own special gar flies and after we messed with the morning white bass bite... it was time for the Great Gar Hunt.

What fun!









Troy is flyfishing machine and had the perfect fly and presentation for the prehistoric beasties. He caught lots of small ones but pegged a couple of monster gar. On a flyrod, they put up a serious fight. It was a blast.



Of course after we played with gar most of the morning, I made him catfish with me a while. We only caught one fish ... fortunately it was the one that counted!

Woohoo!

The Big Blue Tank just about yanked Troy out of the boat on the first run. It was a wonderful battle, and throughout most of it, I think Troy was in shock.

He said," When I thought of 'catfishing' all I knew about was when I was kid sitting on the bank catching little cats with my Dad. I've never seen a fish this big in my life... anywhere!"

And it was one the end of his line. The bruiser was 41 inches long and weighed 35 pounds.







After watching white [censored] bust top all morning, doing battle with a dozen or more gar on a flyrod, and catching his personal best fish of his life... I suspect Troy will have kind words for the Scenic City fishery. Which of course means life is good and gettin' better every day!
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#840161 - 07/27/08 01:24 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: rsimms]
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I personally like fishing for gar, grennal and other so called trash fish
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#840163 - 07/27/08 01:28 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: easy45]
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Wow...very nice!
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#840166 - 07/27/08 01:32 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: easy45]
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Troy and I talked yesterday about catfishing. He was reticent, I think. I bet he isn't anymore! Wow, what a beast! Congrats.

Now I understand you can't dawg your clients, but Basso ain't no client. He's a tndeer brethren, and I think you need to tell a story or three on him. What did he screw up? Anybody bleed or break anything? Any moron factor come to light? If nothing, please feel free to make some stuff up! \:D
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#840201 - 07/27/08 01:49 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: gil1]
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The cat is huge but I am more impressed with the big gar. Good job
with the fly rod.
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#840275 - 07/27/08 03:07 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: ]
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#840393 - 07/27/08 04:46 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: mike243]
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Well I only have two words for anyone, including fly fishers, who have thought about using RIchards Guide Service.... BOOK NOW!!
Today was utter chaos in a wonderfully twisted way. I have not ever seen such a long or intense topwater bite like we saw this morning... to bad they were the pickiest bunch of Bass I have ever Encountered. After that the catfish guru put me within casting distance to what seemd like thousands of schooling gar. I think he set me up because after I was tired from fighting the gar was when he said " Now your gonna catch a catfish, like it or not"
You know I have caught a lot of catfish over the years and was pretty happy with their sizes. Holy shite when that fish about jerked me out of the boat Richard says " thats about a 15 pounder.... then after we got a look at it he recalculated and said " I under estimated". Thats the biggest catfish I have ever personally laid my eyes on, let alone caught. The strike was what amazed me it was well... like a freight train.
Today was no doubt my best day on the water in years. I am a die hard fly fisherman but that catfish was awesome. Richard you are the man.
Gil we didnt get into and accidents nor did anyone drown. Of course my gar flies dont have hooks on them so that helped.



Edited by Troy Basso (07/27/08 08:32 PM)

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#840877 - 07/27/08 09:10 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: Fordman]
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Awesome pics!

What type of leader do you use for catching gar?

I've thought about trying it before while I was bream fishing with my fly rod, but didn't figure that my tackle would survive \:\)
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#841034 - 07/28/08 05:15 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: Crosshairy]
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy

What type of leader do you use for catching gar?


Troy should answer... he's "the pro." But I know he's on the water today. He uses no special leader at all... plain mono. The gar flies he ties are 3-4 inches long. Typically gar's teeth get entangled in fly material and never touch the leader. He fished a long time yesterday... We didn't count but I'm guessing he caught at least a dozen gar, maybe more, and only got broken off once.
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#841222 - 07/28/08 07:56 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: rsimms]
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Definately looks like a normal day with rsimms. \:D
Congratulations dude.
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#841234 - 07/28/08 08:01 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: Southpaw]
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#841247 - 07/28/08 08:10 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
Basso ain't no client. He's a tndeer brethren, and I think you need to tell a story or three on him. What did he screw up? Anybody bleed or break anything? Any moron factor come to light? If nothing, please feel free to make some stuff up! \:D


I have to wait until he writes whatever he's going to write, if anything. It's dangerous to go "dawgin'" the guy who has access to ink.
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#841473 - 07/28/08 10:35 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: rsimms]
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#841488 - 07/28/08 10:44 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: rsimms]
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#842956 - 07/29/08 07:25 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: buckhorn40]
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You got Troy to quit talking long enough to catch some fish ? \:D
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#843224 - 07/29/08 10:25 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
You got Troy to quit talking long enough to catch some fish ? \:D


No... he just kept talking while catching fish.
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#844030 - 07/29/08 07:06 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: rsimms]
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#844216 - 07/29/08 08:29 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: hunter drew]
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Makes sense - I've never made a "gar fly" before, and don't have anything in my tackle box that remotely resembles one.

What I used to do was keep a couple of ugly bass plugs that never caught any fish handy, and I'd tie one of those on with a bass rod and catch gar that way on slow days.

I bet it would be a blast to catch them on the fly rod, though.
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#846681 - 07/31/08 09:13 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: Crosshairy]
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Troy, those hookless gar flies of yours are awesome. I've caught a few nice gar on the flyrod lately, but I've been doing it with superbuggers. Sometimes the hook sticks, sometimes it doesn't.

If you don't mind giving secrets away, can you offer any tips on how you tie yours?

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (07/31/08 09:14 AM)

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#846728 - 07/31/08 09:45 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: Fordman]
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Well, here's an old recipe I used to tie. I liked all the glitter and flash and even sometimes put spinners on there. As it turns out, they usually like plain old rope better than anything. They definitely don't like spinners much, but a little flash wouldn't hurt.

I caught 17 while supposedly carp fishing on the Cumby the other day. There was no hook. There was no fly tying. I doubled over a rope I had in my boat, teased it out a little, and tied my leader to its middle. It doubled over in the water and sort of undulated.

Here's the recipe anyway.

Gar Fly

Hook: Something big, usually a 2/0 straight-eye (a strong hook)
Thread: Heavy, white
Eyes: Black Sharpie dot
Body: Nylon rope,
X-LG mylar cord (pearl color)
Tail: Red rabbit fur
Flashabou of your color choice

Put a good thread base on. Sometimes, there is a core inside the nylon rope. Just remove it when you cut the rope. Cut a piece of nylon rope about 4-5 inches long (you can always shorten it at the end if itís too long). Place nylon rope over the hook, tie it in near the eye, and wrap thread tightly around the rope all the way to the bend. Tie in rabbitís fur at the bend and rotate or spread it completely around the hook. Whip finish and cut thread. Cut hook completely off at the bend, making the fly hookless.
Cut a length of Mylar cord to the length from your hook eye to the end of the rabbit fur tail. Pull the core out of the Mylar, and thread the Mylar outer tube over the eye and down the length of the hook, effectively encompassing it. Secure the tube just behind the eye whip finish, and cut the thread. Youíll have to trim the Mylar ends from around the eye. Now, pull the tube toward the back, making it taught, secure it just before the bend (where you cut the hook point off), whip finish, and cut the thread. Put glue on the thread tie-offs if you want. Tease the tail end of the Mylar tube to make curvy, Flashabou-like tails. With a Sharpie, put dots on the sides of the Mylar for eyes. Now, tease the nylon rope out with a bodkin so that it gets fuzzy (this step takes time and patience). Securing a spinner to the hook eye is optional.





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#846945 - 07/31/08 11:45 AM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: B.D.]
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 Originally Posted By: Brian Dunigan
Troy, those hookless gar flies of yours are awesome. I've caught a few nice gar on the flyrod lately, but I've been doing it with superbuggers. Sometimes the hook sticks, sometimes it doesn't.

If you don't mind giving secrets away, can you offer any tips on how you tie yours?

bd


BD you know everything there is to kow about the gar flies I have been using. If you want to know more specifics ask the creator of the pattern, Jim Mauries.
There is a metting of the Middle Tennessee Flyfishers next wednesday and the speaker is Jim. He is giving a presentation on gar fishing. Might try going there.

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#846992 - 07/31/08 12:06 PM Re: Basso's Big Blue and Gar on the Fly [Re: Fordman]
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I don't belong to the MTFF - there's just not enough time in the schedule to make it to all the meetings I'd like to attend. As it is, I have a hard time making it to the meetings for the Hendersonville Fly Fishing Club, Trout Unlimited, and Fly South's fly tying club each month. I'll definitely talk to Jim though - he's always a great help.

I thank you for the information though - you told me what I was looking for.

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (07/31/08 12:07 PM)

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