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#839627 - 07/27/08 03:48 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: bigluresonly]
stillinscrubs
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I am sorry I missed this early on....I was out fishing...post to follow.

Nice political statement BW....I still think you are full of it and using the ignorance of some as your weapon of choice....again.

You bow to big fish to keep them from breaking the line on a jump......saltwater fish can do this and some freashwater if you are using very small line. Steelhead and Atlantic Salmon are two that come to mind.....

Next time you are spin fishing with 40# test and hook a tarpon with a crab try jerking his jaw down and see how far that gets you. I have done both...jerking gets you a lost fish....bowing gets you a fish picture.....just leave the fish in the water in florida.

World famous writer......lol....

You have alterior motives....always.

Sound biological evidence.....what would that consist of? The TWRA of current thinks like you....hope that changes so the resource is managed for everyone not just those who want to take all they can from it......

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#839639 - 07/27/08 04:39 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: ]
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Capt. Because you can't regulate one segment of commercialism without regulating all segments. It has nothing to do with flyfishing, bait fishing or killing fish. It has to do with licensing. The canoers and kayakers don't hurt the fish at all. But you can't license and control them and not license everyone who makes money on the river.
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#839641 - 07/27/08 04:59 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: bowriter]
stillinscrubs
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter

But here is something that almost nobody on ths or any forum ever considers:

No matter how good a regulation may be, at some point, it must be enforceable. Somewhere along the line, somebody has to be able to say, "Here's your ticket."

In terms of enforcement, the CF is a mindboggler. Sure the access and gravel bars can be checked, should be checked. But the task of actually "handling" that river is a sumtich.


WEAK....it is considered all the time.

There are regulations for deer in this state that take an hour or more to figure out.....poaching still happens.....nobody says take away all the regulations because somebody poached...well I am sure you have said it....but nobody who cares about the resource.

A slot limit on the Caney will be followed by 90+% of the people out there. You can't do everything based upon the 10% of people who are classless and clueless.....that leads to political correctness.....



Edited by stillinscrubs (07/27/08 06:30 AM)

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#839647 - 07/27/08 05:18 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: stillinscrubs]
bowriter
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Capt. Here is what I was getting at. I was not talking in terms of fishing regulations. I was thinking in terms of regulations that would limit the number of commercial boats allowed on the river. I know it is done on many rivers out west and it is done by a permit system by which a float or raft operator must be licensed and is limited to how many crafts he can have on the water.

As new businesses open up, (by the way, what in the heck is Bettys Canoe Rental?)the number of float craft on the Caney increases. But if each operator was limited to X number of craft and there was a maximum number of rental craft allowed on the river, that might help to ease the problem. It is a common practice on many Canadian lakes to limit the number of boats that can be on the lake. I learned that the expensive way.

But it would seem unfair to me, for craft rental operations to be licensed and commercial guides not be. Both make money from the river. Now here is the problem.

The licensing would be easy to enforce. But how do you enforce compliance? I have long been a proponent of licesning or registering all water craft because they all use the water regardless of motor driven or not.

I was in no way speaking of regulations regarding fishing, just commercialism. However, that being said. I have no problem with whatever fishing regulations may be enacted so long as they meet the criteria I outlined in another thread. But it is important to keep the two different types of regulations seperate in terms of thought because they are two seperate issues.
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#839662 - 07/27/08 05:58 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: bowriter]
stillinscrubs
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter

I was in no way speaking of regulations regarding fishing, just commercialism. However, that being said. I have no problem with whatever fishing regulations may be enacted so long as they meet the criteria I outlined in another thread. But it is important to keep the two different types of regulations seperate in terms of thought because they are two seperate issues.


 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I have to admit, I have worked pretty hard to get a regulation or two passed in my time. If it is a good regulation and you convince me of three things, (1) It is biologically and environmentally sound, (2) It benefits the entire sporting segment and (3) It is financially feasible...


(1) What in your mind is biologically and environmentally sound? With respect to the Caney Fork and trout?

(2) I don't think you can have a regulation that benefits the entiresporting segment. For example crappie, creel limits were enacted recently...the intent I assume was to cut down on over harvest so that there are fish for everyone to catch, some people want to keep unlimited numbers and could care less about everyone else, they want to fill the freezer... Could you explain what you mean?

(3) What are your personal criteria for this?


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#839751 - 07/27/08 07:20 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: ]
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Capt. I never said limit the guides. What I am saying is simply this: If you derive a monetary benefit from the river, i.e. through guiding or water craft rental, you should have a license or pay some sort of fee. But through that process, the number of watercraft rentals could be controlled. The guides would in no be affected. They just have to buy an annual license to operate on that water.

There would be no restriction on the number of guides. But when a float craft operator gets licensed, he would be allocated X number of craft. Naturally, the license fee would not be the same.

See, look at it this way. I have to register my little float boat. It takes up no more water than a canoe and goes no faster. So why shouldn't a canoe be registered?
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#841106 - 07/28/08 06:33 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: bowriter]
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What’s all the hub bub about anyway. If the USCOE doesn’t kill the Caney in the next few years all the loose lips and waaay over inflated egos around here are going to ruin the river in a short time anyway. I remember when most of youns were big Bass fishermen. Now you proclaim you’ve been fishing the Caney for thirty years and are the Caney Fork king... Funny I never saw you all on the river two three or even five years ago,,,the river was quiet… Get over yourselves and shut up about the river. That’s what will be good for the river right there.

Johnny come latelys...

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#841133 - 07/28/08 07:03 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: ]
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LMAO- Hey Bob, I've never seen you on the Caney. You must have your rivers confused. Perhaps you were on Hickman Creek and just thought it was the Caney. \:\)
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#841139 - 07/28/08 07:05 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: ]
bob
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Really? Have you fished the Cumberland below Traces? Burkesville? How about McMillian's Landing? All used to be great Trout water. Now,,, pond water. Give em a few more years and they’ll get the rest of that once great river. The CH dam is under the same type construction as we type.

BTW with levels where they are now something as simple as a flood or drought could kill either river. Only so much cold water to go around.


You sure took offense to the getting over ones self part of my post…

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#841219 - 07/28/08 07:54 AM Re: My Rant for Today... [Re: ]
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“Spent more time on the Cumberland then most”
Well,, I didn’t see that coming…


What??? Mother nature sat back for over THIRTY YEARS and let the dam get in such bad condition that it was in danger of collapse? I guess mother nature botched an attempt to stop seepage in 1969, 1970, and 1975? Mother nature didn’t kill the lower river, USCOE did and they came really close to getting it all. The problem has nothing to do with the earth moving. It’s about seepage from the karst foundation they built both dams on… It’s lack of better management and maintenance. But mostly, like everything else today, it’s about MONEY.

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