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#836318 - 07/24/08 02:30 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
bowriter
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Since we have now totally hijacked this thread, let me add this. As I understand it, if you guide on the Caney Fork, (Obey)which empties into the Cumberland, you would have to have this license.

Should never have brought this up. Good thing I'm not a guide.
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#836319 - 07/24/08 02:30 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
Fordman
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I know about that law... When I asked very pointed questions about where is was required I got...... please hold...... oh sir its only required in Kentucky. I know your supposed to have it by the book, and I am in the process off getting mine but.... well heyel you know they are not enforcing that anywhere but the upper cumby.
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#836328 - 07/24/08 02:41 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
bowriter
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Yes, I know that. But as I said, the law is in place. There are two lakes where it is very lightly enforced...and that is only if you screw up. But, as I said, the law is in place.
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#836329 - 07/24/08 02:41 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
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My understanding is that technically, if you're conveying paying passengers on a navigable waterway, you're supposed to have a USCG captain's license. That would include guide clients on your boat. Disclaimer - I haven't researched the law on this myself, so I'm going off of what I've been told by sources that may or may not be reliable. If you want a rock-solid, 100% certain, fully researched answer, somebody's gonna have to pay me. \:\)

That said:

a. I don't think the Caney Fork gets counted by the feds as a navigable waterway subject to their jurisdiction.

b. I don't know of any active enforcement of this requirement in Tennessee. Heck, I don't even remember the last time I saw the USCG on the water in Tennessee. As pointed out above, Kentucky is a different kettle of fish.

HOWEVER: If you are a guide on federally-recognized navigable waters, and you don't have a USCG Captain's License, you need to make sure your liability insurance is ok with that. I have heard from a striper guide I know that his insurance threatened to drop his coverage when they found out he wasn't in full compliance with the federal captain's license requirement. If you pay big bucks every year for liability coverage, and then you get sued and your ins. co. drops your coverage because you didn't have a captain's license, you could be in a world of hurt.

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Edited by Brian Dunigan (07/24/08 02:42 PM)

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#836339 - 07/24/08 02:49 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: B.D.]
onerarebreed
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Well said.however i do not believe the caney for is navagible water way becaus it does not maintain a 9 foot draft depth.which is required by commercial purposed ie barges.The dam has no lock
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#836353 - 07/24/08 02:57 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: onerarebreed]
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All true.But, as I understand it (and I quickly admit, I do not know), because the Caney can be navigated without impedement into the Cumberland, it falls within the realm.

I DO NOT KNOW. This is just what I have been told. Find out for yourself. All I am saying is that there are regulations in place. I, personally am sure I cannot pass the CG test. I also am sure I will not take it.

That is why I am not a guide.

But I know this. God forbid, should you have a serious accident involving personal injury, if you do not have this paper, you will be sued out of your socks.
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#836379 - 07/24/08 03:22 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
onerarebreed
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Not trying to start any crap but what are we going to do when we start having to get out of the way of jet skies.I have alredy seen them where i live about 1 mile below the dam.That would really ruin a good day at the river.
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#836463 - 07/24/08 04:30 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: onerarebreed]
captain hook
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TVA waterways are free from USCG regs. However, Army Corp dams are a different story. I was told from them that on waterways you had to have a license to guide on those waterways. That also applies to canoe outfitters as well. In fact several East TN wannabe guides got nailed last year on the Cumberland for not having theirs.
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#836809 - 07/24/08 08:49 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: captain hook]
shorefisherman
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What is the difference in regulations between army corps and the tva????? .....they should work in the same rules, well maybe except for the baureacratic (B.S.)...... I woould like to see them in .5 ft of navigable waterways..!
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#836821 - 07/24/08 08:59 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: shorefisherman]
gil1
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I think there should be a limit on jet skis. Maybe 10 per day. You have to have a Sportsman's license to shoot more than that.
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