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#836267 - 07/24/08 01:53 PM The Cold Hard Facts...
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Another thread got me thinking about this...

I started thinking about this in regards to another thread. During the late ‘60’s and early ‘70’s I lived in either Casper or Laramie, Wyoming. I traveled the Rocky Mountain West a lot, going to and from rodeos. I fished a lot of trout waters.

I fished the Madison, the Yellowstone and Flaming Gorge. I fished the north and south forks of the Powder River and Crazy Woman Creek, too. I fished the Platte and I fished Boxelder. I fished everything around Bozeman and Missoula. I fished some lakes up the Tetons that probably didn’t have names. I fished the Wind River for two weeks solid. I fished private Indian lands.

I fished out there a lot.

I never caught a trout, brown or ‘bow over three pounds. That’s just an average Caney Fork trout. Don’t let the allure of the romantic mountains and the fabled streams cloud the truth of what you actually have right here.

Two years ago when I shared a boat with Tom McEntire (Field and Stream) on the Platte, the guide could not believe it when I told him it was normal to catch over a dozen trout above eight pounds out of the Caney in a year. Tom said, “Yeah, unfortunately that is true. They have three times the fishery we do.”
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#836351 - 07/24/08 02:55 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: bowriter]
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Hmmm? That's interesting.... and I KNOW they don't have catfish!
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#836357 - 07/24/08 03:01 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: rsimms]
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Well, they do but they aren't very big. Now sturgeon, that's a different deal.

Now the fresh water ling up on Pathfinder Res. Now that is good eating.
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#836466 - 07/24/08 04:33 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: bowriter]
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There are some rivers out west that put anything we have to shame. And then some of the fabled waters are a joke compared to what we have in this state. All of the best waters out west are tailwaters, which is the same as here. However they manage their completely different then we do here, and thus the difference in quality of fisheries. I have been fortunate to fish them all from the Deschutes in Oregon, to the San Juan in New Mexico, and the Missouri in Montana, and all points in between. Every western tailwater that is a big name makes the Caney, Clinch, whatever in TN look like a joke. The only similarity would be the Cumberland, but it is managed much like the western rivers.
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#836481 - 07/24/08 04:43 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: captain hook]
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CH- Just out of curiosity where do you rank the Little Red , White and Norfork in Arkansas compared to the western tailwaters?
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#836488 - 07/24/08 04:48 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: MFBAB]
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every post of his = FIGJAM

Google the term.

He's been there, done that, and done it better than anyone else.

Just ask him.


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#836494 - 07/24/08 04:58 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: ewc]
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Phillips or regular. Google that \:\)
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#836505 - 07/24/08 05:07 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: bowriter]
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That figjam thing is hilarious.
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#836507 - 07/24/08 05:10 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: MFBAB]
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 Originally Posted By: MFBAB
CH- Just out of curiosity where do you rank the Little Red , White and Norfork in Arkansas compared to the western tailwaters?


Not even comparable, and not nearly as good as Tn tailwaters. They are okay, the Norfork is probably the best for quality sized fish, and the white is really good for giant browns. Heavy stocking makes them somewhat tedious to fish for ME, and I haven't been over there in a long long time.
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#836510 - 07/24/08 05:13 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: captain hook]
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The figjam thing is hilarious, especially since I never said I did anything better then anyone else just provided a reference to bowriters post. It was nothing about how many fish I caught or how big they were, no pictures from any trip or anything else to do with me and everything to do with a comparison of rivers.

Pretty obvious that childish jealousy snuck in the back door, and caused "some" to stoop to personal attacks when it really wasn't neccessary. I never attacked anyone, just provided a personal opinion of what other rivers around the country are like. Sorry if I have been fortunate to travel around like others and see what else is out there, and not trapped in a microcosm. BTW if that word is too complicated, google it.



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#836517 - 07/24/08 05:23 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: captain hook]
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I agree about the stockers in the Arkansas rivers, still it's nice to count on 50-100 fish per day with a few kickers thrown in. I'll have to get to the Caney and try some real fishing sometime soon.

Didn't mean to pile on woth the figjam thing, I really thought it was funny because of the reference on Google to Phil Mickelson being one, that was hilarious.
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#836537 - 07/24/08 05:44 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: MFBAB]
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 Originally Posted By: MFBAB
I agree about the stockers in the Arkansas rivers, still it's nice to count on 50-100 fish per day with a few kickers thrown in. I'll have to get to the Caney and try some real fishing sometime soon.

Didn't mean to pile on woth the figjam thing, I really thought it was funny because of the reference on Google to Phil Mickelson being one, that was hilarious.


No harm no foul.

I agree on the fish, everyone likes to catch a bunch, but at some point it does get stupid if they are super small, or especially finless.
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#836790 - 07/24/08 08:38 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: captain hook]
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Dunno about Arkansas. I don't have much experience catching them, but I sure have seen some behemoths on the Norfolk. I stood in a pool one day not 20 feet from a couple of fish that were so much bigger than anything I've ever seen that I can't even guess how big they were. I was peeing in my waders. If I had hooked one, I would have folded like a lawnchair. I must have floated those midges over their noses 100 times. You could just barely hear them giggling at me.

Some folks with a lot more experience than me sure think a lot of those AK waters.
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#836825 - 07/24/08 09:03 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: gil1]
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Gil, I haven't fished the Caney so I can't speak for it but if it really tops those 3 in Arkansas (which I've spent a lot of time on)it is something etremely special. The world record and #2 browns came from the Little Red and the Norfork, I'm just saying.
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#836837 - 07/24/08 09:12 PM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: MFBAB]
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There is a lot more that goes into a river then just the top end fish. At least for the majority of fisherman. For ME I would rather catch a bunch of 14"-18" fish then one 30"+ fish. But that is just me, and most fly-fisherman are about the same. I have no desire to fish where the fish avg. 8"-10", it just isn't that enjoyable to me to catch something that doesn't pull back. But then again we are all different people, and everyone like something different.

I am not saying AR isn't good, but there is better much closer to home.
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#837564 - 07/25/08 11:01 AM Re: The Cold Hard Facts... [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook

I am not saying AR isn't good, but there is better much closer to home.


For people in West TN, AR is closer to home. If I lived in East TN, I don't think I'd make the trip to AR unless it was just to hang out with friends/family. There'd be no need to go to AR for trout fishing when Middle TN and East TN (as well as VA or NC) has just as good trout fishing.


Edited by moondawg (07/25/08 11:03 AM)
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