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#835178 - 07/23/08 08:56 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: gil1]
captain hook
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The canoe hatch ruined the Hiwassee for many many folks. It just got to the point it was so miserable to try and fish that it wasn't worth the effort.

I am thankful every day of my home rivers that there is no commercial canoe operations and we can fish in peace without listening to the rhythmic Ben Hur style paddling in the back ground.

The least "outfitters" could do is try and coach their customers on proper river etiquette and to give fisherman respect.

It all goes back to an argument I had yesterday that the people who pay the salaries of the folks who manage and maintain our playgrounds get over run by the rest of the free loading public anymore.

They charge for ATV's in some of the WMA's, I say charge the outfitters and the canoeists for their use on the rivers.


Edited by captain hook (07/23/08 08:56 PM)
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#835198 - 07/23/08 09:06 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
The canoe hatch ruined the Hiwassee for many many folks. It just got to the point it was so miserable to try and fish that it wasn't worth the effort.

I am thankful every day of my home rivers that there is no commercial canoe operations and we can fish in peace without listening to the rhythmic Ben Hur style paddling in the back ground.

The least "outfitters" could do is try and coach their customers on proper river etiquette and to give fisherman respect.

It all goes back to an argument I had yesterday that the people who pay the salaries of the folks who manage and maintain our playgrounds get over run by the rest of the free loading public anymore.

They charge for ATV's in some of the WMA's, I say charge the outfitters and the canoeists for their use on the rivers.


does fish guides have to pay a special permit to use the resource??
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#835204 - 07/23/08 09:08 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: mr.big]
captain hook
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 Originally Posted By: mr.big
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
The canoe hatch ruined the Hiwassee for many many folks. It just got to the point it was so miserable to try and fish that it wasn't worth the effort.

I am thankful every day of my home rivers that there is no commercial canoe operations and we can fish in peace without listening to the rhythmic Ben Hur style paddling in the back ground.

The least "outfitters" could do is try and coach their customers on proper river etiquette and to give fisherman respect.

It all goes back to an argument I had yesterday that the people who pay the salaries of the folks who manage and maintain our playgrounds get over run by the rest of the free loading public anymore.

They charge for ATV's in some of the WMA's, I say charge the outfitters and the canoeists for their use on the rivers.


does fish guides have to pay a special permit to use the resource??


Its called a fishing license

Us guides on the Clinch have drug more trash, tires, etc. out of the river with TU over the years then any man should have to in a lifetime. Us guides, rallied with TWRA to get new regs for eons to finally have them passed this year. Us guides worked with TU, TVA, and Landowners to get bank stabilization projects accomplished. Us guides spent countless hours helping census the river with TVA biologists. This guide spent months raising trout fry, which were hatched from eggs collected from fish attempting to spawn in tributaries. Other then the trout fry project was with help from fantastic TU VOLUNTEERS and other users of the river. None of which were recreational canoers or the extremists who raised bloody heyall at every meeting talking about restrictions.

So yes "fish guides" do more then their fair share, in addition to buying a license each year to fund projects.


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#835263 - 07/23/08 09:27 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: captain hook]
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IMO ,,guides should have to pay the commercial permit..if your making money off what my liscense pays for you should have to pay extra..
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#835371 - 07/24/08 12:33 AM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: mr.big]
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There actually is a law in place regarding guides on navigable waters in TN. I only know of one guide who is in compliance. \:\)

But hey, back to the topic. This Surf guy is okay. He may have come across a bit rough but he is really on our side. Now if he could get Mr. Paschal to let us take out on his land, that would be just great.
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#835432 - 07/24/08 05:04 AM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: mr.big]
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 Originally Posted By: mr.big
IMO ,,guides should have to pay the commercial permit..if your making money off what my liscense pays for you should have to pay extra..


Why since we are catch and release 100% of the time? Shouldn't we have to pay less for our fishing licenses as well since we do not remove fish from the fisheries? Maybe the food stamp, whoops trout stamp should cost more for folks who keep their limit every time they go then the folks who haven't killed a trout in their lives?
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#835941 - 07/24/08 10:35 AM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
There actually is a law in place regarding guides on navigable waters in TN. I only know of one guide who is in compliance. \:\)


What law are you referring to?

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#836103 - 07/24/08 12:26 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
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Got your Coast Guard Capitans license, Troy?

Yep. It is a law.
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#836302 - 07/24/08 02:15 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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Nope its not. They do not require the Capts license for a fishing guide on any waterway in Tennessee. Spoke with the Coast Guard not a week ago. Kentucky requires it on the cumberland but your not required it in TENNESSEE......
However there are certain waterways that require the NEW HANDY DANDY coast guard" Limited fishing guides licence". After talking to the coast guard office if Memphis I have learned a handful of useful information.

1. They have no idea where the new guide license is required other than the Cumberland River in Kentucky.

2. They are not sure what forms, tests, and certificates one needs to get the license.

3. They do however know a captains license in no longer a requirement.

In a nutshell you are partially correct. The laws read navigable waterway and according the the US coast guard they dont "enforce" that on any known waterways in Tennessee for fishing guides......Yet.
THe upside is that a Coast Guard six pack license was exoensive and the limited guide licence is 200.00 .

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#836314 - 07/24/08 02:24 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
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troy- As I understand it, it is if you guide on any of the TVA system. Maybe Rsimms can explain it to you. Way I understand it, if you guide on any body of water that can end up either unimpeded or through alock system, in saltwater, you need this license.

BTW- I don't have one, either. Doubt I could pass the test. I'm not real current on celestial navigation.
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