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#835794 - 07/24/08 09:16 AM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: gil1]
onerarebreed
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can anyone tell me what the leafy stuff growing in the Caney fork is.I have lived on the river all my life and it did not start growing there until a few years back.
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#835830 - 07/24/08 09:36 AM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: onerarebreed]
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OKAY-MY BAD In my last post, it should have read if the Caney was NOT constantly stocked.

Now Gil. \:\) I never said size limits don't work. Of course they do. I am not convinced they would make much difference on the Caney in terms of rainbow trout. What I said was...and I stick by this, are they fair? I also said a trophy "piece of the river won't work". I stick by that as well.

I have no idea what survey you refer to re folks wanting bigger fish. But I suspect if you asked 100 fishermen on the Caney, they would all, 100% say they want bigger fish. Now ask them if they are willing to throw fish back to achieve that goal. The ones who speak fluent English might, by about 40%. But I am also pretty sure, at least 70% of those surveyed would just like to catch...and keep a limit of trout.

Remember, we here on this forum are accustomed to catching 20-50 fish a day. The average Caney fisherman is tickled to death with a limit.

I know as a staunch TU member, you have certain standards to adhere to. I also know you believe in those standards. I have no problem with that at all. But as you know, I don't keep trout. They are all C&R to me. But I do feel an obligation to the Joe Saturday fisherman. Right now, the Caney Fork just suits his needs ideally. And is that not, afterall, what that fishery should be about? That guy is not going to KY or wherever to catch bigger fish. That guy could care less about big trout if he can only keep one. That guy...just wants to catch him a limit of fish to eat. I don't have a problem with that. That is why that river is constantly stocked.

Now, stop stocking? That's a whole new ballgame. Then I am in your corner 100%.

RE the grass. I don't know what it is but it has been there a long time. It is just getting more prevalent.

Again, let me state. I don't keep any trout. So I have no personal axe to grind. Make the whole shebang no fish under 24 inches, I'm cool with that. But let's not apply QDM logic to a fishery equation.

And hasn't this become a dadgummed good discussion?
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#835836 - 07/24/08 09:37 AM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: bowriter]
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Addendum...this sort of discussion is what I was thinking about when I suggested a float trip/campout.
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#835872 - 07/24/08 09:51 AM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: bowriter]
onerarebreed
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Does anyone know if the trout reproduce in the caney or not.I have cought several over the years and found them to have eggs in them. And I also believe the key to good trout in the caney is the amount of generation.I think you will see better fish of all species when the get the orfice installed in the sleuce gate at the dam.
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#835887 - 07/24/08 09:56 AM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: onerarebreed]
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Lord,, I wish I could continue, but I have to go redneckin'. The carp are waiting.
It's all black and white in my pea brain, but the reality is that we're into a very gray area. I really would like to implement BSKish QDM data to a trout stream, but it doesn't work that way.
It's hard to win hearts and minds by asking people to just believe what you believe. I guess it's just a leap of faith deal, and you sometimes land on your azz.
Will continue after I get this disgusting slime off my face.



Edited by gil1 (07/24/08 09:57 AM)
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#835958 - 07/24/08 10:57 AM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I know as a staunch TU member, you have certain standards to adhere to. I also know you believe in those standards.


Dangit, got held up from carpin'!

I want to make something clear. Yes, I believe wholeheartedly in those standards, but unfortunately, Trout Unlimited does not and will never back those standards. They are a coldwater conservation organization, not some fishing club. Nowhere in their mission statement will you find anything that has to do with catching big fish. The fact that there is usually good fishing in clean water is just a bonus.

When I was Pres. of the local chapter, I traveled along with many other TU members to speak to the Commission about the brown trout reg. proposal. In a complex round-about beuarocratic way, the regs. would definitely help TU's mission, but TU would not support my stance because regulation is none of their business unless it somehow effects the resource. For TU, the resource is the water, not the fish. I was not even allowed to say that I was a member of the organization.

Don't get me wrong - TU will gladly dangle stories and pics. of beautiful salmonids in order to boost membership, but when they go to Capitol Hill to try to change laws or even when TU fights the local battles, it will be about water, not fish.

It's sort of the "little known fact."


Edited by gil1 (07/24/08 11:00 AM)
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#836089 - 07/24/08 12:21 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: gil1]
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Well the heck with them, then. I'm calling BSK. \:\)

That makes me so mad, I am going right straight to the Caney tomorrow and investigate. Then we'll see just what is what!
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#836584 - 07/24/08 06:39 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook

Stalker I strongly disagree with you on the smallmouth regs, especially the river smallmouth regs. I am glad to see TWRA take a proactive approach and properly manage a very valuable resource. Of course most people who kill river smallies never take into consideration it takes them 8 years or so to reach 8"-10" long, and a 18" bass might be 14 years old or older.


For one I said that I understand slot limits to a degree for brood fish...for sustainablility of the fish population. But I disagree with the 1 fish over 18 or 20 inch rules because that is trophy only fishing...Why should smallies only be a trophy fish? Also, the info I found on smallies size to age raatio put them at 8 inches by age 3 and in the 18 inch by age 10 and older...
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#836588 - 07/24/08 06:43 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook

Stalker I strongly disagree with you on the smallmouth regs, especially the river smallmouth regs. I am glad to see TWRA take a proactive approach and properly manage a very valuable resource. Of course most people who kill river smallies never take into consideration it takes them 8 years or so to reach 8"-10" long, and a 18" bass might be 14 years old or older.


Also, you called the smallmouth a resource? With regs of 1 fish 18 to 20 inches who is resourcing them? Trophy hunters...that's who...
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#836598 - 07/24/08 06:51 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: Stalker]
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Not everyone wants trophies evrey time they go fishing...they will be there naturally anyway...Why not use methods that allow for the future of the fishing instead of the quality of each individual fish...The experience and opportunity to fish should be above all else...Who wants to tell their young kids who are begging to keep the fish they caught..."sorry, its not big enough" Not me...I want my kids to experience the entire fishing experience from water to frying pan...How many fish are killed and wasted because they were too small? Ever hooked one not big enough and toss it back to just be a floater...Tears me up! Wast of that fishes life...could have been on my plate but no it will just rot in the water because some trophy reg says it's not big enough to keep.
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