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#837682 - 07/25/08 12:24 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: bowriter]
onerarebreed
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Gentlemen,would you support a stretch of river say from the Rest aera up where no fishing is allowed .Thats where all the pressure is anyway.Not for ever of course but for a couple of years.What in your opinions would that result in.It would sure make it easy for the twra to police.
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#837707 - 07/25/08 12:44 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: bowriter]
gil1
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter

If you want to make the Caney Fork, 100% C&R. Then stop the stocking. I'll back that. But if you continue the stocking, I oppose any further restriction.

Why...or how, can you on one hand, say, "We are putting these fish in this river for you to catch." And then say, "but you have to throw them all back."


Because by definition, that's what C&R is all about. Not only are we putting these fish in here for you to catch, but since it's C&R, your catching opportunities will be fantastic. It is for folks that really enjoy fishing, that want to catch bigger fish, that would rather catch more than eat more. The river is for entertainment value, not used as a food source. If you quit taking food from it, it will be even more entertaining.

I realize that some don't like catching big and more fish as much as they like to eat fish and have worse fishing, but that's what it's about. For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone that's not starving doesn't beg for that kind of experience.

People pay a ton of money for that type of quality fishing experience all over the country. They bypass TN to go to those places and spend that money elewhere. We could offer it for free. I know it won't happen because the meathunters aren't quite ready to give up even one of their food source rivers for better fishing. If dynamiting were legal, they wouldn't own a rod, and I get that.

BW - I know you're making a point, but surely you aren't brain dead. If you stop stocking, the fish will eventually die out. If there's any natural reproduction on the Caney, it's a joke compared to what it would need to sustain the fishery. Perhaps that will change some day, but the Caney has to be stocked or there will be no trout.

Onerarebreed is right - I will drive myself crazy trying to make others understand, and I will not change many minds. But the wave of progressive management is coming because it makes more money than stocking for food. Those that like eating fish better than catching them will not be happy that they will have to go to the grocery.
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#837716 - 07/25/08 12:49 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: onerarebreed]
gil1
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 Originally Posted By: onerarebreed
Gentlemen,would you support a stretch of river say from the Rest aera up where no fishing is allowed .Thats where all the pressure is anyway.Not for ever of course but for a couple of years.What in your opinions would that result in.It would sure make it easy for the twra to police.

I'm not sure I understand the point. Why would we not utilize the entire resource? I can't think of an upside to a no fishing section for even one day.
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#837765 - 07/25/08 01:18 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: gil1]
onerarebreed
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Sorry took so long been hulling butter beans.well would that not give them time to grow not as much stocking would be required.and would probably cut down on the number of fish that die from C&R.and believe me i see pleanty of fish where I live that die from that.a lot of keepers to.Why not just try it for six mo to a year.Of course a lot of local people will raise cane but a lot of them don't buy a trout stamp anyway. There are many size regs in place.I wonder if anything like that has been tried before.
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#837818 - 07/25/08 01:59 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: onerarebreed]
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If you were going to do that, why not just leave them in the hatchery runs longer? I'm sorry, I don't see how a no fishing zone on a stocked river makes any sense. I assume it's just some kind of exaggerated overstatement to prove a point, but I don't see how it proves any point since it's entirely apples and oranges from even the most extreme proposal on the drawing board right now.

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#837844 - 07/25/08 02:19 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: B.D.]
onerarebreed
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Cause in the hatchery it is all about numbers.In the wild it is about genetics and the ability to survive adapt and reproduce. and some of these fish do reproduce i have caught fingerlings in my minnow traps in the spring during high water perods approximately three quaters of a mile away from where it empties into the river.and have seen a lot of 10 to 12 inch trout up in that same small creek a mile or better away from the river.And i am talkin about a small creek that dries completely up in mid summer.I just believe they need a chance to reproduce with the correct water conditions.Thats the main key for all species.and water conditions have improved over the last few years.
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#837852 - 07/25/08 02:23 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: onerarebreed]
onerarebreed
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Shoot Im tierd of talkin bout it I think I will brave the rain and go to the river right now.I want some smoked trout and butter beans for supper.Later guys.thanks.
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#837881 - 07/25/08 02:34 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: onerarebreed]
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Onerare- No rain on the river. Rain like a sonagun when we left Lebanon at 4:30. Not a drop on the big ditch. Rained all the way home.

but I agree. I'm tired of talking about it, too. I'm going to go kill some carp.
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#837892 - 07/25/08 02:50 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: bowriter]
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Okay. I can't stand it. One last time. GIL: "BW - I know you're making a point, but surely you aren't brain dead. If you stop stocking, the fish will eventually die out."

Then why in the he11 should we have a size limit? They are all going to die. Dead is pretty permanent. What we need to lobby for is the stocking of 10# fish.

(Gil- I know what you are saying. I just couldn't resist.)

But the money to stock those fish come from all the fishermen. If we say to one group, the pargest group, you can't do that. Then it is fair for them to say to the rest of us, then quit spending our money here.

Now, can someone define for me just what is considered Betty's Island? I know it is not at the takeout point. But what do y'all call Betty's Island?
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#837914 - 07/25/08 03:07 PM Re: I'm taking a poll on Caney Size Regs [Re: onerarebreed]
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 Originally Posted By: onerarebreed
and some of these fish do reproduce i have caught fingerlings in my minnow traps in the spring during high water perods approximately three quaters of a mile away from where it empties into the river.


TWRA stocks fingerlings from time to time, so catching fingerlings doesn't prove anything. Typically, these fingerlings are 3-4 inches long.

The thing that makes me skeptical about reproduction is that nobody EVER catches a little 2-inch rainbow or brown trout parr in the Caney. On wild streams, those tiny little trout will take a fly every once in a while - I have caught them in the Smokies and in Colorado. But in the Caney, I never see fish below the smallest stocked size.

If there is any reproduction, it's very rare, and it's only maybe a handful of trout a year.

A slot limit is only about increasing the abundance of trophy trout in the river. A slot still lets the bait guys keep plenty - anyone who complains about a stringer of seven 15 1/2" trout won't be happy, no matter what. However, it also protects the fish that have shown the most potential to survive and grow, so that the trophy fishery is optimized.

Personally, I see it as the fairest way to give everyone what they want - people who want fish to eat can keep plenty for the table, and people who are only interested in a trophy get a better shot at one.

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