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#834556 - 07/23/08 01:11 PM SHUTTLE SERVICE
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#834573 - 07/23/08 01:23 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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No ads here, please.
No more boats on the Caney either, please.
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#834574 - 07/23/08 01:24 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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in before all Hell breaks loose

BTW,,you live in G-Town or the business located there??


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#834591 - 07/23/08 01:40 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: mr.big]
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#834726 - 07/23/08 03:04 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: trealtree]
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Rant all you want about people invading your secret little fishing spot. I have lived the majority of my 27 years on the Caney Fork River. YOU are the ones invading my space. I have no problem with sharing this beautiful resource with others. My family owns over 3 miles of river front property on the Caney. Two miles between the dam and Happy. So YOU think there are too many people on the river. WE have to pick up their garbage. I got into this business to take an active role in what ever is around the bend for Caney Fork Community. My family has always gladly accomodated boaters, campers, and fisherman, but we like respect in return. The river is not ours, but the land is. I'm here to coexist with anyone willing to respectfully use the river.

The CanoeTheCaney bullshit is another story. They advertise arrowhead hunting on the Caney Fork River. Whose land do you think they are encouraging people to stop on?

The crowd on the Caney Fork is ridiculous, but joining the chaos is the only choice I have. So if I can help you out on your trip to the Caney Fork, give me a call. If not find another river, but I've always been here and I'm here to stay.

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#834741 - 07/23/08 03:17 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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I'm not an administrator of this site, but my understanding is that tndeer will proudly display your new business if you advertise with them. It is just a site rule so that the forums don't get mucked up with free advertising. No offense at all.

Your first 2 posts have made quite a first impression. In the first post, you just want to use tndeer to make money. In the second post, you went off on some rant for no reason. Sorry WE are the ones invading YOUR space. Good luck on your venture.
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#834751 - 07/23/08 03:25 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: gil1]
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Wow, I have almost 20 thousand posts on here. I dont think I have used the fully typed word BS even once. This dude did it in his 2nd post. LMAO! \:D
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#834758 - 07/23/08 03:27 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: gil1]
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Gil- Actually, he is one of the good ones. He just needs a little seasoning. Caneyforksurf-Have you got your takeout ramp at Stonewall done yet?

BTW- I'm thinking about going treasure hunting on Betty's Island.
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#834767 - 07/23/08 03:36 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: gil1]
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I was told to post here by a fisherman at Betty's Island. Sorry, If my ad is not welcome. But by reading the post on here about the Caney and by the responses I got, I was a little irritated at how a bunch of respectable adults can be so shallow in their views about something. The water is for everyone, ya'll need to realized that. I am as against big commercialization as anyone. This business is a part-time occupation to keep me more in tune with the people in and around the river. The Caney Fork River is a huge part of my life. I am just trying to extend a service and create a positive relationship with the Fishermen of the Caney Fork community. For you the Caney Fork is a getaway destination, but it is my home. You are always welcome here as far as I am concerned. But when your day of fishing gets a little crowded, so does my backyard...
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#834775 - 07/23/08 03:40 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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Yeah...but have you got your ramp done? How is the battle with G'ville council going?
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#834777 - 07/23/08 03:42 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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I do tend to have a bad mouth, but as for the boat ramp...who knows...It is apparently suppose to go in across the road from me, but I haven't seen a sign of anyone doing anything... I did hear a September date, but haven't seen any action.
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#834785 - 07/23/08 03:46 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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The ramp is suppose to go in across the road from me, I haven't seen anyone doing anything. No one seems knows anything about it either. I do know the state owns the land and I did hear a September date, but I don't know what relevance it had.
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#834789 - 07/23/08 03:49 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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 Originally Posted By: caneyforksurf
I do tend to have a bad mouth,
I was just roughing you up a bit about the BS thing. Welcome to the site. \:\)
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#834805 - 07/23/08 03:58 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: strutandrut]
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Honestly, I have been blown away by the traffic on the Caney Fork, especially this weekend... I've been paddling that river heavily for about 8 years, and it has gradually escalated to all this... I always thought the Caney Fork had everything I needed but women, even that is looking promising lately...

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a game warden downstream from betty's?

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#834819 - 07/23/08 04:10 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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Downstream from Betty's???

Yeah. A lot of them. Most of them were in my boat.
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#834821 - 07/23/08 04:11 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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Saw one launching at bettys sunday morning. Don't know which way they went but i was sure happy to see them.
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#834884 - 07/23/08 06:56 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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 Originally Posted By: caneyforksurf
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a game warden downstream from betty's?

Actually, I know that scn (TWRA enforcement) is inquiring into that very problem.

Look, caneysurf, I still think you're argument needs some fine tuning especially since you make money off the river and you are obviously not a fisherman, but you caught me right after a Saturday on the Caney where I felt like all day, I was zooming over speed bumps.

I don't claim to own anything. But I am saddened that I didn't enjoy the outing and can't return on a weekend. The canoers were too much, too disrespectful of their surroundings, and way too disrespectful of the resource (of course, not all of them - bad seeds in all the groups). It's nobody's fault and there's nothing I can think of to do, but I'm in mourning right now.

I understand that all canoes will soon have to pay to be registered. Overall I think that sux, but it will make me feel a little better if the registration money goes toward the resource just like the fishermen pay to maintain ramps, etc.
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#834985 - 07/23/08 07:38 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: gil1]
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seriously man,,where you live,I live in Kempville and work at Bon-L,,I know a bunch of people that live on both sides just wondered who ya was,,I don`t trout fish at all,but I knew you was gonna get a hard time.I can throw a rock in the river from where I park at work every day..

I do some stripe and striper fishing from Mulherrin down in the winter and early spring.
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#835091 - 07/23/08 08:21 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: mr.big]
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I understand both sides of the argument. I am also a whitewater paddler and read the opposing side on BoaterTalk.com a forum with lots of heated opinions from the boater perspective.

I can also the possible need for canoe/kayak registration. Motorized boats are often annoying, should they be banned?

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#835143 - 07/23/08 08:41 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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 Originally Posted By: caneyforksurf
I understand both sides of the argument. I am also a whitewater paddler and read the opposing side on BoaterTalk.com a forum with lots of heated opinions from the boater perspective.

I can also the possible need for canoe/kayak registration. Motorized boats are often annoying, should they be banned?



I really don't have a resolution or explanation. Except I will not go on the river on weekends in summer. I love canoeing, too, so that's not my point. The hordes will keep coming, and the fishermen will have to live with it or go elsewhere. I find that it is too stressful for me to cope with it, so I'll be one of the ones pushed off the river by traffic.
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#835198 - 07/23/08 09:06 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
The canoe hatch ruined the Hiwassee for many many folks. It just got to the point it was so miserable to try and fish that it wasn't worth the effort.

I am thankful every day of my home rivers that there is no commercial canoe operations and we can fish in peace without listening to the rhythmic Ben Hur style paddling in the back ground.

The least "outfitters" could do is try and coach their customers on proper river etiquette and to give fisherman respect.

It all goes back to an argument I had yesterday that the people who pay the salaries of the folks who manage and maintain our playgrounds get over run by the rest of the free loading public anymore.

They charge for ATV's in some of the WMA's, I say charge the outfitters and the canoeists for their use on the rivers.


does fish guides have to pay a special permit to use the resource??
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#835263 - 07/23/08 09:27 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: ]
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IMO ,,guides should have to pay the commercial permit..if your making money off what my liscense pays for you should have to pay extra..
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#835371 - 07/24/08 12:33 AM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: mr.big]
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There actually is a law in place regarding guides on navigable waters in TN. I only know of one guide who is in compliance. \:\)

But hey, back to the topic. This Surf guy is okay. He may have come across a bit rough but he is really on our side. Now if he could get Mr. Paschal to let us take out on his land, that would be just great.
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#835941 - 07/24/08 10:35 AM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
There actually is a law in place regarding guides on navigable waters in TN. I only know of one guide who is in compliance. \:\)


What law are you referring to?

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#836103 - 07/24/08 12:26 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
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Got your Coast Guard Capitans license, Troy?

Yep. It is a law.
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#836302 - 07/24/08 02:15 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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Nope its not. They do not require the Capts license for a fishing guide on any waterway in Tennessee. Spoke with the Coast Guard not a week ago. Kentucky requires it on the cumberland but your not required it in TENNESSEE......
However there are certain waterways that require the NEW HANDY DANDY coast guard" Limited fishing guides licence". After talking to the coast guard office if Memphis I have learned a handful of useful information.

1. They have no idea where the new guide license is required other than the Cumberland River in Kentucky.

2. They are not sure what forms, tests, and certificates one needs to get the license.

3. They do however know a captains license in no longer a requirement.

In a nutshell you are partially correct. The laws read navigable waterway and according the the US coast guard they dont "enforce" that on any known waterways in Tennessee for fishing guides......Yet.
THe upside is that a Coast Guard six pack license was exoensive and the limited guide licence is 200.00 .

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#836314 - 07/24/08 02:24 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
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troy- As I understand it, it is if you guide on any of the TVA system. Maybe Rsimms can explain it to you. Way I understand it, if you guide on any body of water that can end up either unimpeded or through alock system, in saltwater, you need this license.

BTW- I don't have one, either. Doubt I could pass the test. I'm not real current on celestial navigation.
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#836318 - 07/24/08 02:30 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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Since we have now totally hijacked this thread, let me add this. As I understand it, if you guide on the Caney Fork, (Obey)which empties into the Cumberland, you would have to have this license.

Should never have brought this up. Good thing I'm not a guide.
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#836319 - 07/24/08 02:30 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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I know about that law... When I asked very pointed questions about where is was required I got...... please hold...... oh sir its only required in Kentucky. I know your supposed to have it by the book, and I am in the process off getting mine but.... well heyel you know they are not enforcing that anywhere but the upper cumby.
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#836328 - 07/24/08 02:41 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
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Yes, I know that. But as I said, the law is in place. There are two lakes where it is very lightly enforced...and that is only if you screw up. But, as I said, the law is in place.
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#836329 - 07/24/08 02:41 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Fordman]
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My understanding is that technically, if you're conveying paying passengers on a navigable waterway, you're supposed to have a USCG captain's license. That would include guide clients on your boat. Disclaimer - I haven't researched the law on this myself, so I'm going off of what I've been told by sources that may or may not be reliable. If you want a rock-solid, 100% certain, fully researched answer, somebody's gonna have to pay me. \:\)

That said:

a. I don't think the Caney Fork gets counted by the feds as a navigable waterway subject to their jurisdiction.

b. I don't know of any active enforcement of this requirement in Tennessee. Heck, I don't even remember the last time I saw the USCG on the water in Tennessee. As pointed out above, Kentucky is a different kettle of fish.

HOWEVER: If you are a guide on federally-recognized navigable waters, and you don't have a USCG Captain's License, you need to make sure your liability insurance is ok with that. I have heard from a striper guide I know that his insurance threatened to drop his coverage when they found out he wasn't in full compliance with the federal captain's license requirement. If you pay big bucks every year for liability coverage, and then you get sued and your ins. co. drops your coverage because you didn't have a captain's license, you could be in a world of hurt.

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#836339 - 07/24/08 02:49 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: B.D.]
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Well said.however i do not believe the caney for is navagible water way becaus it does not maintain a 9 foot draft depth.which is required by commercial purposed ie barges.The dam has no lock
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#836353 - 07/24/08 02:57 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: onerarebreed]
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All true.But, as I understand it (and I quickly admit, I do not know), because the Caney can be navigated without impedement into the Cumberland, it falls within the realm.

I DO NOT KNOW. This is just what I have been told. Find out for yourself. All I am saying is that there are regulations in place. I, personally am sure I cannot pass the CG test. I also am sure I will not take it.

That is why I am not a guide.

But I know this. God forbid, should you have a serious accident involving personal injury, if you do not have this paper, you will be sued out of your socks.
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#836379 - 07/24/08 03:22 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: bowriter]
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Not trying to start any crap but what are we going to do when we start having to get out of the way of jet skies.I have alredy seen them where i live about 1 mile below the dam.That would really ruin a good day at the river.
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#836809 - 07/24/08 08:49 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: ]
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What is the difference in regulations between army corps and the tva????? .....they should work in the same rules, well maybe except for the baureacratic (B.S.)...... I woould like to see them in .5 ft of navigable waterways..!
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#836821 - 07/24/08 08:59 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: shorefisherman]
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I think there should be a limit on jet skis. Maybe 10 per day. You have to have a Sportsman's license to shoot more than that.
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#837501 - 07/25/08 10:21 AM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
If you notice, none of the Corp dams have any sort of beneficial improvements done to better the fisheries.


This is not accurate. The Caney is a corps dam and they have installed hub baffles, along with the orifice sluice installation that is planned for 8/4. Long term, there has been talk about a house unit or turbine bypass for minimum flow purposes as well (though I don't know if the orifice sluice supplants that).

The reason there's no wier on the Caney has nothing to do with whether it's a Corps or TVA dam. It's a matter of gradient - i.e., the river elevation doesn't drop far enough fast enough for a wier to be effective.

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#837537 - 07/25/08 10:44 AM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: B.D.]
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Actually the weir dam was going to be installed on our property just below the dam.They came and did extensive core drilling but i heard it wasn't the gradient the just ran out of money because of the expence of the saddle dam fuse plug they installed wound up costing more that they thought.Who really knows when it comes to the corps.
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#837710 - 07/25/08 12:46 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
I think there should be a limit on jet skis. Maybe 10 per day. You have to have a Sportsman's license to shoot more than that.


Some people that ride wave runners carry guns also. ;\)
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#837781 - 07/25/08 01:33 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: Rackseeker]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
I think there should be a limit on jet skis. Maybe 10 per day. You have to have a Sportsman's license to shoot more than that.


Some people that ride wave runners carry guns also. ;\)

Prolly true, but a wet gun doesn't always do its job. On the other hand, most people don't take into account current speed when leading a waverunner. A turkey choke will blow your average jetskier away, but the pattern is too tight for the incredible speed these suckers generate these days. And then again, your average wader can't exactly dive for cover without floating his floppy hat. Could be a pretty fair fight.
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#837894 - 07/25/08 02:54 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: gil1]
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I am, to the surprise of no one, a bit old fashioned. When it comes to jet skis, I still use my old 3/4 ounce jig on 60# line. At 30 yards, a lead of about six feet will either impact or provide plenty of room to set the hook.

As to weir dams,

No. I better not tell that one.
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#843512 - 07/29/08 01:58 PM Re: SHUTTLE SERVICE [Re: caneyforksurf]
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 Originally Posted By: caneyforksurf
Honestly, I have been blown away by the traffic on the Caney Fork, especially this weekend... I've been paddling that river heavily for about 8 years, and it has gradually escalated to all this... I always thought the Caney Fork had everything I needed but women, even that is looking promising lately...

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen a game warden downstream from betty's?


Brent- Just thought of this. One of them camped on your dad's farm one weekend probably about the time you were born. For all I know, he may still be there. He is now retired from TWRA but at one time, he was a regular to the gravel bar on your place and claimed the water between your place and the mine was the best stretch on the river.
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