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#832086 - 07/22/08 09:52 AM Planted Pines Question?
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I have about 30 acres planted pines on our total 182 acres in west tn. The pines were planted in April of 2007 and are about 2-3 ft tall now. They are in 3 groups. 3 acres, 18 acres and 9 acres approx. I also have a neighbor that borders us with 150 acres of pines that are about 10-15 years old.

My questions is... If anybody has planted pines or experience with them... at what stage of growth do you see more deer using in and around them? I have read several articals on this matter and was wondering what opinons and experience everyone might have.

Thanks for any comments you may provide.
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#832090 - 07/22/08 09:57 AM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: CWT]
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I think they use them as soon as they get tall/thick enough to provide cover.
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#832102 - 07/22/08 10:03 AM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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Ive hunted around pines most of my life. They stay in them most of the time. Id say the best times for hunting is the first five years. Last year was different though. Weve got sime pines on our lease that are about 15 years old. Very tall and little underbrush. The timber company came in and cut strips every 30 feet. Now there is under brush in the openings and we saw more deer last year than ever before.
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#832411 - 07/22/08 12:22 PM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: muddyboots]
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great cover,but little food after they get 10 foot tall or so
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#833259 - 07/22/08 08:15 PM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: Football Hunter]
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The cut area they are growing in provides good food sources for about the first 4 years. After that, cover is the main draw, and that cover will last until the pines are about 12 years old. And if they are isolated patches of pines surrounded by hardwoods, they will be THE #1 bedding area for older bucks.
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#833328 - 07/22/08 08:46 PM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: BSK]
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I've noticed on our lease that the three big Cedar thickets couple hundred yards long and two are over 100 yrds wide...that they seem to be travel corridors...The biggest one has some bedding areas in it... I try not to go into them very often as I believe that the deer use them alot and I hunt the out skirts of them and between them alot...Do Cedar thickets work any differnt? Since they are shorter trees I would guess that the cover would be good for longer...Should I concider clear cutting any of them to allow them to regrow or let them be?
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#833449 - 07/22/08 09:30 PM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
The cut area they are growing in provides good food sources for about the first 4 years. After that, cover is the main draw, and that cover will last until the pines are about 12 years old. And if they are isolated patches of pines surrounded by hardwoods, they will be THE #1 bedding area for older bucks.

The pines were planted in old fields. There are moderatly thick hardwoods elsewhere on the property as well a couple growed up 3 acre fields. The old fields the pines are planted in are starting to get briers & small trees in them. I suspect in the long run it will be good habitat. It is definatly a good investment for the future anyway.
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#833495 - 07/22/08 09:53 PM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
And if they are isolated patches of pines surrounded by hardwoods, they will be THE #1 bedding area for older bucks.


Why is that? Please elaborate BSK, what is it that would hold bucks here? Very interested in this, as I have Westvaco pine country bordering me, I know the deer pour out of there in the evenings coming into my hardwoods. Why do they like the pines so much?
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#833770 - 07/23/08 06:53 AM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: CWT]
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 Originally Posted By: CWT
 Originally Posted By: BSK
The cut area they are growing in provides good food sources for about the first 4 years. After that, cover is the main draw, and that cover will last until the pines are about 12 years old. And if they are isolated patches of pines surrounded by hardwoods, they will be THE #1 bedding area for older bucks.

The pines were planted in old fields. There are moderatly thick hardwoods elsewhere on the property as well a couple growed up 3 acre fields. The old fields the pines are planted in are starting to get briers & small trees in them. I suspect in the long run it will be good habitat. It is definatly a good investment for the future anyway.


Once those pines grow tall enough that it would be difficult to walk into the old field, they will become THE bedding areas on the property.
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#833773 - 07/23/08 06:56 AM Re: Planted Pines Question? [Re: Howa]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
And if they are isolated patches of pines surrounded by hardwoods, they will be THE #1 bedding area for older bucks.


Why is that? Please elaborate BSK, what is it that would hold bucks here? Very interested in this, as I have Westvaco pine country bordering me, I know the deer pour out of there in the evenings coming into my hardwoods. Why do they like the pines so much?


Impossible to know exactly why, but in the fall and winter pines are such good bedding areas because they produce shade during sudden warm spells, break the wind and rain during cold, wet periods and actually produce a little heat during very cold snaps. In addition, being evergreens, they block visibility when hardwood saplings have all lost their leaves. I find older bucks prefer bedding in the pines versus a jungle of hardwood saplings like you find in a regrowing clear-cut.
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