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#822597 - 07/15/08 12:20 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Fordman]
rsimms
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Obviously I'm interested in this thread... I am curious on the "guide fishing" issue. I often do fish. However, it is rare that I actually reel a fish in... and virtually never if there is a youngster aboard. I always figure more baits in the water, more chances for more hook-ups. When I hook a fish however, unless I know it's a very small fish, I always hand the rod off to a youngster, or an adult in some cases. Many adults fall into the "I'll hook my own fish, thank you" category... which I understand. But I am surprised at the number of adults who will accept the offer... and I'm glad when they do. They're paying for it... and I'm simply fishing to try and increase their opportunities to put fish in the boat.

How do folks feel about that?

FYI, I do work from the front of the boat because boat control and positioning is critical in many of my fishing situations. For what it's worth however, as often as not, I'm actually working the boat backwards, drifting downstream with current which actually give the angler in the stern first shot at fish.
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#822614 - 07/15/08 12:41 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: rsimms]
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I have chartered fishing trips in the Gulf, the ocean and fresh water. I look for a couple of things before I book with them.
Their equipment should in good condition and their boat should be clean and well maintained. This well tell you how much pride they take in their operation.

Big promises are wonderful if they can deliver. I would much rather them be honest with me and say up front, "the runs over for the year", or "we are sort of struggling right now". To me there is nothing worse than getting pumped up over a bunch of "big fish" promises and not even catch a fish. Happened a few times down in Florida. (not Chattanooga).

A guide needs to be patient and willing to coach the less experienced. I don't care if a guide fishes as long as they have proven they are more interested in me and my party catching fish.

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#822620 - 07/15/08 12:54 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Kirk]
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I've never actually had a guide fish with me, and I've asked several to join in the fun. If I'm paying for it, though, I think I should have the first casting shot (normally, the front of the boat).

Especially in fly fishing, I think it would help me learn something by watching a guide fish. Different types of casts in different situations, watching their casting form, their mending technique, etc. can be invaluable especially for beginners.
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#822676 - 07/15/08 01:50 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: gil1]
captain hook
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IMO, guides are meant to guide, not fish. When I have clients I don't even have the desire to pick up a rod. Mostly I don't have time, I am controlling the boat and instructing as that is what most people pay for. There just isn't any way I could do a good job and fish as well.

I would let my guide fish depending on the situation. Flats guide, no way. But a river guide out west, if we were wading would be fine with me if we were having an exceptional day.

Rsimms, your reputation proceeds you, and your style of guiding is much different then mine.

I would rip a guide a new one if he just assumed he was going to fish as well without inquiring first or me asking him to do so.
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#822679 - 07/15/08 01:53 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: gil1]
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Its a funy thing, I have had clients insist I fish and others whom would have given birth had I picked up a rod. However I would and am considering booking a michigan guide who is also a great spey caster and yes i will insist he fishes so I can see what a good spey cast looks like.
I am fortunate and my trollong motor is remote controlled so I can run it from anywhere and given I guide fly fisherman I always give them the larger(front) casting deck.

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#822683 - 07/15/08 02:02 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Fordman]
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I have had them insist as well, but I always made excuses as to why I wouldn't. Mainly, and not trying to be arrogant, because my skills were far superior and really didn't want to make them feel bad even though they begged for me to fish.
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#822899 - 07/15/08 05:05 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Fordman]
Dr. Dickel
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 Originally Posted By: fordman
What are the most important qualities you look for when hiring a guide? If you could only ask three questions of a potential guide what would they be?


1) Do you provide breakfast
2) Do you provide lunch
3) Do you provide the beer

Just playin'.....If I were to ever be interested in hiring a guide on a strange body of water, his credentials would have to include structure fishing (no bank-beaters) and electronics knowledge.
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#823227 - 07/15/08 08:37 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Dr. Dickel]
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what it boils down to is somebody has more money than time or expertease,you want somebody that knows the area,the habits of what your after,or their method for catching fish or scouting/hunting,its a fair trade,we learm more quicker by monkey see monkey do.a few folks dont want to learn just put me on the fish or get 1 in my line of fire,its all good as long as its legal.been on 1 guided boat for rockfish,been out deep sea fishing on party boats several times,i understand that it is all seek & understand if no game is taken.i do have expectaions that i should at least see some game.wished i was rich $ \:\) been lucky in love so im not complaining...too much \:\) mike243
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#823382 - 07/15/08 10:15 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
what it boils down to is somebody has more money than time or expertease,


This couldn't be more wrong and paints with an awfully broad brush and is offensive to not only me as a guide but also to tons of wonderful people who I have guided over the course of my career.

I have guided plenty of folks who saved all winter just to pay for one guided trip. Not to just catch fish, but to see a different stretch of river, do something new, catch a few bigger fish, have some laughs with a new face, or a million other reasons.

I have guided plenty of folks who were top notch anglers who just wanted to get out and fish all day without rowing their own boat or screwing with any of the other stuff.

Stereotyping clients is not proper nor accurate. Sure there are some that fit every description, but most are good folks who aren't dripping with money and have a clue what they are doing on the water.
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#823400 - 07/15/08 10:26 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Fordman]
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RE: Guided Carp trips.
http://www.wyomingflyfishing.com/carp_fly_fishing_report.aspx

I'll do it for 1/2 that price out of my flats boat!!!!

Gil and Capt.Hook....you boys need to order a hat!
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