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#821595 - 07/14/08 08:18 PM Those who hire fishing guides
Fordman
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What are the most important qualities you look for when hiring a guide? If you could only ask three questions of a potential guide what would they be?
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#821606 - 07/14/08 08:24 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Fordman]
bcunnin1
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What kind of guide? Fly fishing or like an Ocean trip?
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#821632 - 07/14/08 08:45 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: bcunnin1]
Fordman
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Lets say fly fishing and lite tackle... freshwater
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#821633 - 07/14/08 08:45 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Fordman]
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He must come highly recommended by my peers.

His service must be priced at a fair, competitive rate.

He must present a good first impression, both verbally and non-verbally. That means little to no cussing. I cuss, but I absolutely abhor hearing someone I hardly know start into a cussing tirade. As for the non-verbal part, have good posture and shake hands like you mean it. I also don't want to hear about your accomplishments or sponsors. By the time we've met, I will have talked to you three or four times. But once we're at the dock, just shut up and fish.

Three questions:

1. "I don't care if we catch fish. I just want to learn/finetune a technique. Is "this" a good time of year for that?" What I'd like to hear is: "As a guide, I care if you catch fish. There are better techniques to catch fish that what you propose, but if it means more to you if we catch fish using the technique you want to learn, then by golly, I'll do my best."

2. "Do you quit fishing when the time is up even if the fish aren't cooperating?" I ask this because the answer isn't as important as how they answer it. I had a saltwater guide tell me we'd fish 'til the cooler was full or the gas tank was empty. It was an eight hour trip that lasted almost 11. BTW, we caught fish.

3. "How long have you been guiding and what did you do before that?" I almost completely uninterested in the answer. The only thing I might glean from it is a few conversation starters while we're fishing.

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#821650 - 07/14/08 08:51 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: timeless]
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Well fly fishing I wouldn't know the first thing about.
So My first question would be can you take someone who has never been never even picked up a fly rod?
Then I would ask, can we do this on one trip I mean will I get the hang of it enough to try to catch a fish.
Then I would ask how long will we be on the water and what do I need to bring?

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#821675 - 07/14/08 09:03 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Cuttin Caller]
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Depends. if I was to chunk out $300 bucks for a day of fishing it better not include the guide fishing. I saw a show the other day and the "guide" had caught and kept 10 fish BEFORE the client had caught one fish.

Also leave the watch at home. For instance, don't tell me it's a 4 hour guide and then take 45 min to get there by boat, fish 2 1/2 hours, and then 45 min back.
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#821691 - 07/14/08 09:08 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: 7mm08]
Fordman
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
Depends. if I was to chunk out $300 bucks for a day of fishing it better not include the guide fishing. I saw a show the other day and the "guide" had caught and kept 10 fish BEFORE the client had caught one fish.

Also leave the watch at home. For instance, don't tell me it's a 4 hour guide and then take 45 min to get there by boat, fish 2 1/2 hours, and then 45 min back.

I was wondering if anyone felt that way about the guide fishing. The shop I guide out of does not tolerate their guides fishing. I try hard to not have a rod in my hand at all. Client gets the frint of the boat always that way.

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#821698 - 07/14/08 09:11 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: 7mm08]
bcunnin1
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If its fly fishing your after which is what I do, I usually ask do you only guide fly fishermen? Which is only because it can be a complicated sport and I like my guys to know what they are doing. I always want them to know a lot more than me, I like to fish with a guide and walk away with a new trick or technique. Plus if I want to fly fish why wouldn't I want a guy who has been taking other fly flingers ahead of me.

I also like a guide who can give you several options. I like to call a guy and say what I am looking for what can you offer. Its good to hear a guide say we can catch more numbers on this river, but the bigger fish will be in this river. Things like that. Along with everything tribeless said.

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#821705 - 07/14/08 09:15 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: Cuttin Caller]
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I like a guide that will teach me a lot. I don't want to know his honeyholes. I know it's counterproductive for the guide to make me not need him anymore, but I usually get a guide the first day or fist trip so I won't need one the second day. Teach me how to be self sufficient. You can laugh, make fun, and tease, but if you start yelling at me, the pressure will just make me worse. Yes, be firm and not patronizing. If you try to take the fly out of my fish, you're going overboard.

I do like a boat and guide that are pretty squared away, and I also don't like surprises. You want me to pay you for the flies I lost, then bite me. Lunch isn't included, then you should have told me. I expect a boat to be stocked with everything we'll need and to be clean.

Some folks want a totally different experience, so guides have to be mindreaders or they should ask you what your needs are. If the client is too stupid to tell you he just wants to catch trophies and doesn't care about numbers, then it's his fault.

Do you practice catch and release?
How long have you been doing this?
Will you teach me as we go?
Will you be fishing too?
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#821711 - 07/14/08 09:19 PM Re: Those who hire fishing guides [Re: gil1]
Fordman
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
I like a guide that will teach me a lot. I don't want to know his honeyholes. I know it's counterproductive for the guide to make me not need him anymore, but I usually get a guide the first day or fist trip so I won't need one the second day. Teach me how to be self sufficient. You can laugh, make fun, and tease, but if you start yelling at me, the pressure will just make me worse. Yes, be firm and not patronizing. If you try to take the fly out of my fish, you're going overboard.

I do like a boat and guide that are pretty squared away, and I also don't like surprises. You want me to pay you for the flies I lost, then bite me. Lunch isn't included, then you should have told me. I expect a boat to be stocked with everything we'll need and to be clean.

Some folks want a totally different experience, so guides have to be mindreaders or they should ask you what your needs are. If the client is too stupid to tell you he just wants to catch trophies and doesn't care about numbers, then it's his fault.

Do you practice catch and release?
How long have you been doing this?
Will you teach me as we go?
Will you be fishing too?


I would only take you if you signed an aggreement that stated you would not, no matter how big, try to catch a carp let alone put the slimy bastage in my boat!!!

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