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#793344 - 06/24/08 08:37 AM Water Levels Dropping
twostates
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At least on Norris & Cherokee. Lakes never did quite reach summer pool and have started dropping in June. Going to be awful low this fall & winter.
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#793675 - 06/24/08 11:26 AM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: twostates]
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I know and I think TVA has lost their mind especially on CHerokee. They are running it full bore almost around the clock when power demand isn't that high and cool water isn't really needed down stream. It makes no sense, and as usual they will be whining by August about not having any water. Wonder why, idiots ran it all out during early summer.
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#794427 - 06/24/08 07:01 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: captain hook]
shopson
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They are idiots, aren't they captain hook? But for about $3 a day I can stay cool in the summer, cook, take warm showers, play on this puter, and much more and do the same in the winter except it is about $5 and I stay warm and take hot showers.

When we are not in a drought the lakes generally get full and stay full til Labor Day. When there is very little water coming in, you shouldn't expect them to be able to keep it at a high level and generate too.

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#794477 - 06/24/08 07:49 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
I know and I think TVA has lost their mind especially on CHerokee. They are running it full bore almost around the clock when power demand isn't that high and cool water isn't really needed down stream. It makes no sense, and as usual they will be whining by August about not having any water. Wonder why, idiots ran it all out during early summer.


You don't have a clue about what it takes to manage a drop of water to a certain end. If a drop falls here, it's effect is felt elsewhere.

A formula to decifer most of your posts:

ch = FIGJAM

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#794479 - 06/24/08 07:50 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: shopson]
captain hook
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You read it right. They have no concept of how to manage their water wisely. They got themselves into a huge mess last year and learned nothing from it obviously this year. Idiots might be a strong description however.

It has nothing to do with power needs or cool water down stream. Trust me on that, and believe me I know a thing or two about that facet of TVA.

And as far as Labor Day, that is dead wrong. TVA started a new draw down procedure several years ago and begin drawdown now around the first of August which last I checked was 1 month prior to Labor day.

The issue isn't the water dropping that is naturally going to occur in a drought year. The issue is TVA running excessive amounts of water out of Cherokee and leaving Douglas off rather then balancing the load to lessen the effects of pool shrinkage. A side issue is that by running Cherokee excessively right now the coldwater is depleted and by July temps will soar up into the 70's thus killing the majority of the trout in the river. Of course I guess it is only an issue if you enjoy fishing, and I can see where if you would rather play on the puter and take showers knowing any of this is of little importance and as far as you would be concerned as long as your house is cool, shower is warm, and the puter works who cares about a fishery suffering. Oh did I mention the excessive water also seriously affects the smallmouth recruitment in the river as well, not that it matters to you of course.
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#794483 - 06/24/08 07:52 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: ewc]
captain hook
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 Originally Posted By: ewc
 Originally Posted By: captain hook
I know and I think TVA has lost their mind especially on CHerokee. They are running it full bore almost around the clock when power demand isn't that high and cool water isn't really needed down stream. It makes no sense, and as usual they will be whining by August about not having any water. Wonder why, idiots ran it all out during early summer.


You don't have a clue about what it takes to manage a drop of water to a certain end. If a drop falls here, it's effect is felt elsewhere.

A formula to decifer most of your posts:

ch = FIGJAM


Funny stuff seeing how I was on a conference call today with members of TVA where the very things I said were mentioned by people within their organization. But naturally I don't have a clue and neither do others who actually have a hand in this stuff on a daily basis.
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#794529 - 06/24/08 08:14 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Funny stuff seeing how I was on a conference call today with members of TVA where the very things I said were mentioned by people within their organization. But naturally I don't have a clue and neither do others who actually have a hand in this stuff on a daily basis.


Really? Name some names.

Trout in Cherokee Tailwaters are an experiment at best. I know some like to fish for them, but its a PG&T fishery. Not a viable fishery for most of the year.

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#794668 - 06/24/08 09:21 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: captain hook]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
The issue is TVA running excessive amounts of water out of Cherokee and leaving Douglas off rather then balancing the load to lessen the effects of pool shrinkage.


Huge difference all right. Cherokee is scheduled to drop about 5 inches over the next three days and Douglas only about 3 inches. Actually it is .4 on Cherokee and .2 on Douglas. Not a whole lot of difference.

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#794680 - 06/24/08 09:30 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: shopson]
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Copied from the TVA website:
TVA enhances recreational opportunities by restricting the drawdown of tributary storage reservoirs during the summer – from June 1 through Labor Day. During this period, under normal operations, just enough water is released from these reservoirs to meet downstream flow requirements. TVA works to keep the water levels in these reservoirs as close as possible to each reservoir’s “flood guide level” – a guideline that reflects how much storage space each reservoir needs to hold back potential flood waters.

I see the words Labor Day and no mention of August.

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#794780 - 06/24/08 10:23 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: shopson]
captain hook
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Nevermind you all experts.

BTW trout do live, survive, and thrive in the Holston river. I guess the browns in excess of 20" were stocked that way and the rainbows in the 18" range just magically arrived from the hatchery that way unlike their brothers who arrived at 12". If you don't fish it or utilize the resource don't talk about it, as you might not have any idea what is actually going on. Sure some years a large portion die off, but in other years a large portion carry over. It all depends on when the cold water in Cherokee is depleted as to how long the trout will survive. Running water around the clock now, does not help that is for sure.

Shopson, I would chew your stuff to pieces but really do not have the energy to discuss something with someone who does not know how to interpret the data that they posted or what it means besides at face value. Don't worry about the recreational value associated with keeping reservoirs full or water temps and dissolved oxygen downstream of the dams. Good to see you have your priorities straight. Bet you didn't know that the increased water flows out of Cherokee have caused an explosion of the invasive aquatic weed known as Didymo, which chokes the substrate and has an adverse effect on benthic life which affect food for the majority of juvenile fish in the river system as well as removes valuable nutrients for baitfish which are of course utilized by game fish. But why would that matter, right? AS long as your shower is warm, the AC is running full time, and you can play on the computer.

And the Labor Day is incorrect having heard the words directly from the horses mouth 3 years ago that beginning in 2005 TVA will adopt a new water management plan which will begin drawing down mainstream lakes on August 1 and tributary lakes will be subject to weather conditions and rainfall. But hey, what does that mean? Do you believe everything you read on the internet? I certainly hope not.


Edited by captain hook (06/24/08 10:25 PM)
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#795194 - 06/25/08 09:08 AM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: captain hook]
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TVA, like the Corps, does not set their water management plans while worrying about a few fish. While recreation is part of the equation, it is not priority #1.

I doubt Cherokee produces enough electricity to do much good anyway. The drawn down of the those lakes is what feeds the much larger powerhouses on the TN River. Keeping levels down here at normal pools is much more important that keeping those small lakes at normal pools. Mainly for navigation interests and what little power is produced by the hydros.

Maybe I should call Wheeler and tell them to shut off those units running right now (0850) so they can run them later this evening during the fishing tournament.
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#795789 - 06/25/08 02:28 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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BTW this is the stupidest discussion I have ever had on an internet forum. Discussing something which we have absolutely no control over.
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#796029 - 06/25/08 04:45 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: ewc]
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 Originally Posted By: ewc
[quote=captain hook]

A formula to decifer most of your posts:

ch = FIGJAM

First time I have seen that acronym.......I had to look it up .

People complaining of Cherokee being low now.......it is higher now than it got last year. Now Boone is a different story. This is the first year that I can remember Boone not reaching full pool by June, nor will it the rest of the summer unless we can get some rain and they can fill it up overnight then.
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#801934 - 06/29/08 10:39 PM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: captain hook]
shopson
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook

Shopson, I would chew your stuff to pieces but really do not have the energy to discuss something with someone who does not know how to interpret the data that they posted or what it means besides at face value.


Uh, it ain't my stuff. Maybe you should get on another conference call with your friends at the TVA and either have them update their website or stop putting false info on it.
Let them know they are idiots and liars.

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#859035 - 08/08/08 07:11 AM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: shopson]
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Just an update for you shopson, Cherokee has dropped 3.5 feet since Aug 1 and TVA is projecting to drop it another 1.5 feet by Monday.

How accurate do you think that info you read was, seeing how the flows went up ten fold on Aug. 1.

By the way enjoy the 10%-20% rise in power bills this fall so you can keep your AC running. \:\)
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#859207 - 08/08/08 08:56 AM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: captain hook]
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Ya gotta love a pissin' contest on a fishing forum. To those that are confident enough to forward "horse's mouth" conversations, please state your position with whatever entity that allows such information to be pissed on in an open forum. If TWRA guys can identify themselves, thus opening themselves up to catching spears, surely anyone else can. I can't help but think someone gets their jollies by withholding information that would end the nonsense. If you can't state your position, at least zip it and let others flounder in their delusions. Just sayin'.
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#859245 - 08/08/08 09:28 AM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: Hangnail]
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Normandy is dropping fast, too.
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#859353 - 08/08/08 10:16 AM Re: Water Levels Dropping [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
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Norris and Douglas are also dropping at an alarming rate. I think I saw Chickamauga was planning releases around 40,000 cfs next week to combat all the water coming through the system. The goal this year is to have the water down to winter pool before Oct 1 apparently for some reason.
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