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#773058 - 06/09/08 09:30 AM Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action
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Anyone know anything about these guns?
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#773259 - 06/09/08 11:47 AM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: trealtree]
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I've never owned one but something to consider is the very limited choice of projectiles, sabots or full bore conicals, that are offered for a .52 cal.

Edited by Kevin B. (06/09/08 11:48 AM)

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#773466 - 06/09/08 01:58 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: Kevin B.]
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I looked into that, they make a bullet that is specifically made for the gun. And its a barnes. You only need 1 type of bullet to hunt with.
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#773550 - 06/09/08 03:07 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: trealtree]
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a couple of years ago the hype was long range .45. .50 was slow now there trying to say that a .52 is so much better than a .50 and .45 . use the same cal.'s out of identical rifles and i bet theres not a whole lot of difference. with the same load. but thats my opinion but i might be way off base.
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#773641 - 06/09/08 04:51 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: thunderbutt]
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Read this then give me some more opinions.


http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Features6.html
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#774095 - 06/09/08 10:11 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: trealtree]
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Well my opinion is that the link you provided compares apples to oranges via a .52 to .50 rifle.

Further, the link you provided is from Toby Bridges. While a more accomplished shooter than me, he shoots a product for money. If he was truly interested in a "long range muzzleloader", he'd be shooting a Savage.....

Oh wait. He's been there and done that. Do a search on Toby and Savage. If you don't know the history - you will find the info more than entertaining.

FWIW - I've not shot the .52 cal Knight - but I think Kevin made a very valid point.

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#774349 - 06/10/08 06:55 AM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: ewc]
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I'm not in the market for a smokeless gun. Ok take out the .52 cal equation what about a .50 in the exact same gun?
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#780099 - 06/13/08 03:13 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: trealtree]
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I have the .50 cal Long Range Hunter. shoots great. If you want to try it out, shoot me a PM. I live in Lebanon too.
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#781278 - 06/14/08 04:12 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: tndeer101]
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#783962 - 06/16/08 10:42 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: trealtree]
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I would have bought one ten times over ,but I can't find anyone who can get them. I have checked into about five different places,all sell knight mz ,but cant get that one.
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#784183 - 06/17/08 07:06 AM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: tnclayboy]
trealtree
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they sell them online at several places. Im on my work comp and they block guns or I would get you the website.
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#784299 - 06/17/08 09:04 AM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: trealtree]
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Thanks ,I found one last night reading another post ,I might buy it today 570$ Does that sound like a fair price ?.The only place I can get it a litle cheaper is sportsman guide . But they won't ship to TN. However thats not a big deal cause I can ship it the some friends 40mins away in MS.
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#784329 - 06/17/08 09:24 AM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: tnclayboy]
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I wouldnt buy from sportsmans guide. Since they wont ship to TN (bunch of liberals) 570 is good the knightrifles.com website is in the 700 dollar range.
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#786222 - 06/18/08 12:39 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: J&JGUIDE
I'm not in the market for a smokeless gun. Ok take out the .52 cal equation what about a .50 in the exact same gun?

The 40 caliber is the flatest shooting caliber in blackpowder M/L rifles. The target shooters in the blackpowder rifle contests shoot that caliber more for target work than any other caliber and the Sharps shooters that shoot in the metalic cartridge contests use 40 or 41 caliber mostly also.
For hunting a good sabooted 45 caliber should shoot flater than a 50 caliber and sill have good penetration.

 Originally Posted By: Locksley
 Originally Posted By: moondawg
The .45 bullets are lighter than the .50 bullets, so the 45 supposedly shoots flatter (and slightly farther) than the 50. The .45 supposedly has better range, but I don't shoot further than 100 yds, so I don't really know.

The only downside to a .45 cal is that there aren't as many accessories (bullet selection, cleaning brushes, etc) compared to the .50 cal. It seems most everything is geared for .50 cal, but there are a few .45 cal accecssories out there.

Hope that helps. I'm not much of a technical shooting purist, so there may be others more qualified to elaborate on performance.

WHAT CALIBER?

The venerable .45 caliber rifle, with a fast twist barrel, proved to be the most accurate and effective rifle available for hunting. It delivered the best accuracy of all the calibers with as much or more energy shooting 340 to 470 grain bullets. However, very few .45 caliber rifles are manufactured. Most western states require hunters to use a .50 or .54 caliber rifle for hunting big game. So, we were relegated to shooting rifles that were not as effective as the .45 caliber rifle.

The .50 caliber rifles can deliver good accuracy when they are loaded with a .45 sabot bullet. However, since the sabot bullets generally weigh less than most .45 cal. conicals a higher powder charge is normally used in a .50 cal. rifle. This enables the bullet to have a high energy level upon impact. Another problem with using a .50 caliber rifle is that most of the bores are designed to shoot both sabots and conical bullets. This means that their accuracy past 100 yards varies from rifle to rifle. The best accuracy past 75 yards was obtained with rifles having a twist of 1-20" to 1- 32." As the distance to the target was lengthen, the rifles with the faster twist produced the best groups with sabot bullets. Overall, the .50 caliber rifle's accuracy was superior to the .54 and .58 caliber rifles past 50 yards. None of the .54 or .58 caliber conicals generated a significant increase in energy or expansion to warrant choosing them over a .45 or .50 caliber rifle bullets.
http://www.blackpowderjournal.com/archives/vol2no5/articles/bpj25-3.htm

Testing Blackpowder Hunting Bullets
AboutAuthor: ōyvind Flatnes
Category: Hunting
Published: 11.24. 2007
Edited: Sunday 25 Nov. 2007, at 11:40 (GMT +1)
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If you're planning on taking your blackpowder weapon out hunting it can be an sensible to find out how the bullets reacts when they hit the animal, especially for big game hunters. I Norway, roe-deer is the most common animal to hunt with a blackpowder weapon due to the energy requirements.

Shooting bullets into a stack of wet phone books is the poor man's way to test hunting bullets for penetration and expansibility. A while back I tested a .58 cal. 1861 repro Springfield muzzleloading rifle musket, a 12 mm (.48 cal.) original military issue Remington rolling block rifle, two .50 cal. muzzleloaders and a modern .308 Win. hunting rifle with various loads shot into wet phone books. The phone books had been soaked in water overnight in water and were stacked without space between the books. The loads were shot at a distance of 10 yards. As you can see from the table, the 12 mm Remington rolling block achieved the best penetration of all, including the smokeless .308 loads. The 1861 Springfield had the second best penetration. The results can be viewed in the table below:


Calibre Weapon Bullet Load Penetration
.58 1861 Springfield RCBS 58-500 Miniť 63 grs. 2 Fg 46 cm
.58 1861 Springfield RCBS 58-500 Miniť 63 grs. 2 Fg 29 cm*
.58 1861 Springfield RCBS 58-500 Miniť 65 grs. 3 Fg 39 cm
.58 1861 Springfield Hornady GP 65 grs. 1 Fg 26 cm
12 mm Remington RB M-1867 Jšmt 58 grs. 2 Fg 58,5 cm
12 mm Remington RB M-1867 Jšmt 58 grs. 2 Fg 32,5 cm*
.50 Kentucky .490 roundball 66 grs. 2 Fg 40 cm
.50 Tennessee .490 rundkule 87 grs. 2 Fg 26 cm
.308 Win. Moderne rifle Sierra 150 grs. SPBT 43,6 grs. Vihtavuori N-140 29 cm
.308 Win. Moderne rifle Sierra 168 grs. HPBT 42 grs. Vihtavuori N-140 45 cm

* = A 4 mm hollow point was manually made on the bullet nose.
http://www.svartkrutt.net/articles/vis.php?id=14

Linebaugh Penetration test results

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Caliber bullet and average velocity (from two rounds fired thru chrono)
test 1 (Paper only)/ test 2 (total penetration, paper + 4" dia. beef knuckle joint)

50 Alaskan, 505 LBT 1933 fps
40"/33"
.500 Maximum 590 LFN 1202 fps
49.5"/25"
.500 S&W 440 WFN 1449 fps
40"/18"
.500 Linebaugh 450 Belt Mountain Brass "Solid" 1297 fps
46"/43.5"
.475 Maximum 430 LFN 1450 fps
51.5"/17"
.475 Linebaugh 430 LBT 1272 fps
64" exited back of paper/20"
.480 Ruger 390 CPBC LFN 1147 fps
31"/4" paper, came apart in middle of bone
.480 Ruger 306 LFN 1058 fps
25"/7.5" (stopped 1/2" past the bone)
45-70 460 FNGC CPBC 1732 fps
28" (mushroomed to better than .50 caliber, not normal behavior for such harcast)/8" (came apart on back side of bone)
45-70 450 Barnes Solid (round nose) 1713 fps
47"/37.5"
45-75 (yes, an old 1876 Winchester) 350 LBT 1490 fps
52"/14"
45x2 7/8" Sharps 543 Lead 1412 fps
26"/approx. 16"
.454 Casull 300 LBT 1364 fps
38.5/"16"
.45 Colt 350 LBT 1187 fps
42"/8"
.45 Colt 335 CPBC 1158 fps
29"/13"
.45 Colt 300 ? 1137 fps
23.5"/4.5"
.44 Magnum (from a levergun) 300 LBT 1471 fps
34"/16"
.44 Magnum 340 LFN 1320 fps
32" (turned sideways)/42"
.44 Magnum 300 LBT 1520 fps
30"/35"
.44 Special 255 CPBC 1031 fps
22.5"/8"
.410 GNR 250 CPBC 1599 fps
30"/8"
.41 Magnum 210 gr ? 1252 fps
26.5"/10.5"
.405 Winchester 300 Mt Baldy 2242 fps
31"/13"
.405 Winchester 350 Mt Baldy 2261 fps
32"/23"
30-06 220 Cor-Lokt 2315 fps
17.5"/10"
25-20 ? bullet 1244 fps
20" (only tested in paper)
25-20 1049 fps
14.5" (only tested in paper)
One Hornady solid .458 Lott was tested, clocking right at 2000 fps from a 15" Encore (!!!!). Bullet went approx. 50" in the wet paper before exiting out the bottom of the stack.
http://shootersforum.com/showthread.htm?t=5695



http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=780198&page=1#Post780198


Edited by Locksley (06/18/08 12:40 PM)
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#788369 - 06/19/08 07:41 PM Re: Knight Long Range .52 cal SS bolt action [Re: Locksley]
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I ordered the 50 cal LR hunter today .Its on the way.I am stoked
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