#66389 - 01/29/06 04:38 PM
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Wes Parrish
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Would appreciate some expert opinion regarding the below pics.
First, on this side view of pic dated 01-16-06,
What age would you guess this buck to be?
And here is a close up of the rack on the 01-16-06 pic.
Then, here is a front view of either the same or a different buck, taken in the same general area on 01-15-06.
What age would you guess based on this pic?
And a close-up of the front view rack.
Based on these pics, I cannot say these are different bucks, but have reason to believe they may be (which I'll share after hearing some unbiased opinion based just on the pics).
So here's my question:
Can you see anything in these pics that would show these are two different bucks rather than two pics of the same buck?
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#66390 - 01/29/06 05:34 PM
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Same buck.
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#66392 - 01/29/06 06:32 PM
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I don't believe its the same one. May just be the camera angle but to me it doesn't look like the one on tops main beam curves in as much as the bottom one's.
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#66393 - 01/29/06 06:37 PM
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Looks like ths same too me...
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#66395 - 01/29/06 07:59 PM
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Looks like the same deer, going by the headgear. Notice the curvature of the G3 on the left side. Both pics show a "scoop" shape. As for Age: 2.5. He doesn't have any belly and no neck. I would say 1.5 but I'll give him another year cause of the bad angle.
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#66396 - 01/29/06 09:06 PM
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Chris Tripp
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IMO, I believe they are different deer. There appears to be a weight difference. The first picture looks like a 3.5 year old to me. Second looks 2.5 or possibly 1.5. May be wrong, but thats what I take from those pictures.
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#66398 - 01/30/06 05:13 PM
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fattmaxx
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So here's my question:
Can you see anything in these pics that would show these are two different bucks rather than two pics of the same buck?
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#66400 - 01/30/06 07:00 PM
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Wes Parrish
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I think most would agree that the 01-15 buck facing the cam has an outside spread which is wider than eartip-to-eartip?
Based on this pic, I guess his outside spread to be about 16 to 16 1/2 inches?
Now here's what's baffling me.
During the hunting season, I had repeatedly seen (up close) and passed shots on what appeared to be the side-view buck on the 01-16 pic. Each time his outside spread appeared narrower than ear-tip-to-ear-tip, with my guess at about 14 to 14 1/2 inches. And that pic was taken right where I had seen him several times.
The "facing the cam" buck from 01-15 was taken the night before but a few hundred yards away. And he appears to have slightly more mass than the little 8-pointer I had been repeatedly seeing, not to mention, I had never noticed a shorter G-1 on the right main beam.
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#66401 - 01/31/06 08:23 AM
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Same buck.
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#66402 - 01/31/06 09:14 AM
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Wes Parrish
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Thanks for all the opinions everyone.
I, too, thought it appeared to be the same buck based on the pics.
BSK,
What would guess the age to be on the above buck?
In retrospect, I think the side-view buck above is simply not the nearly twin one I had been seeing there while hunting. I had been afraid to run cameras in some of my hunting spots during the season, thinking they might spook a floater buck --- most likely as he was approaching my stand and I was about to kill him.
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#66403 - 01/31/06 12:20 PM
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Same!
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#66404 - 01/31/06 12:38 PM
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3 1/2.
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#331259 - 08/07/07 07:56 PM
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same
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#331304 - 08/07/07 08:09 PM
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Wow!!!
Talk about bringing up one from the graveyard!!!!
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#331740 - 08/08/07 02:27 AM
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Both look like the same deer to me Wes. Even though his rack is not huge and his belly looks like it runs upward in the first pic; he is stretched out. I think he looks 4.5 the way his neck runs into the brisket, especially for Jan. The third pic has the same effect; the neck runs straight into the chest (no brisket), hence an older deer from what I've learned. Plus, he has the same mass compared to the eye and tine length compared to the ears.
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#331781 - 08/08/07 05:43 AM
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I'd say 1.5 and I would say it's the same deer. Good deer tho, with great potential!
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#332085 - 08/08/07 10:33 AM
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Wes Parrish
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I'd say 1.5 and I would say it's the same deer. Good deer tho, with great potential!
I'd say his antlers potentially stopped growing about Nov. 22, 2006. 
NOTE: Someone pulled this thread up from the archives ---- NOTE the DATE of the very first post.
If has since been found out that this buck was 3 1/2 years old in those first pics, and 4 1/2 years old when killed 11-22-06.
BTW, these are probabably near "average" antlers for a 3 1/2 to 4 1/2-yr-old buck in Stewart County (110-115-class). And contrary to what many hunters may think, only half of all bucks will be above average even at full maturity. My guess is the average 5 1/2-yr-old Stewart County buck would only gross around 130, and even less than that on a statewide basis. We just don't see many that old, and when they have smaller than average antlers, they are less likely to be aged or even taken to the taxidermist.
So if "average" were @ 130, then for every one that breaks 150, there's probably another scoring around 110.
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