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#594942 - 02/01/08 07:34 PM Smallest caliber for Deer?
sjalter
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What is the smallest legal muzzleloader caliber avalible for deer hunting? Also what are the ballistics for this caliber?
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#595046 - 02/01/08 08:32 PM Re: Smallest caliber for Deer? [Re: sjalter]
m_allison71
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.40 cal.
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#595481 - 02/02/08 09:47 AM Re: Smallest caliber for Deer? [Re: m_allison71]
sjalter
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 Originally Posted By: m_allison71
.40 cal.


Thanks for answering my question. Do you know anything about the ballistics for the .40 cal. Or better yet how it compares ballistically with the .45 cal and the .50 cal?

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#595574 - 02/02/08 10:59 AM Re: Smallest caliber for Deer? [Re: sjalter]
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The smallest size barrell you can use is 40 cal. With the use of a sabot, you can use a smaller projectile. The smallest commercially available projectile Iíve seen is a 357 cal / 175 gr., and can be fired from a 45 or 50 cal.

Iím sorry that I donít know the BCís of the bullets, but you need to know even more than that before you use the non-standard stuff. The rate of twist of your barrel is very important Ė if itís too fast, or too slow, your bullet will not be stable and can never be accurate. I know going smaller sounds like it would be better, but the 50 calís using 45 cal bullets are reaching out there 200+ yds. The heavier bullets retain more energy down range, so that gives them an advantage over the lighter weight bullets.
There are others on here that know far more than me, so maybe they can advise a site to go to for BC info.

I used a 45 cal TC Omega with the 357 cal bullets, and it really worked for me. But if you want to try something really powerful, check out the Savage smokeless MZ. My Savage MZ is my favorite gun.
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#595777 - 02/02/08 02:47 PM Re: Smallest caliber for Deer? [Re: Deer Whisperer]
sjalter
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 Originally Posted By: JohnDeer
The smallest size barrell you can use is 40 cal. With the use of a sabot, you can use a smaller projectile. The smallest commercially available projectile I’ve seen is a 357 cal / 175 gr., and can be fired from a 45 or 50 cal.

I’m sorry that I don’t know the BC’s of the bullets, but you need to know even more than that before you use the non-standard stuff. The rate of twist of your barrel is very important – if it’s too fast, or too slow, your bullet will not be stable and can never be accurate. I know going smaller sounds like it would be better, but the 50 cal’s using 45 cal bullets are reaching out there 200+ yds. The heavier bullets retain more energy down range, so that gives them an advantage over the lighter weight bullets.
There are others on here that know far more than me, so maybe they can advise a site to go to for BC info.

I used a 45 cal TC Omega with the 357 cal bullets, and it really worked for me. But if you want to try something really powerful, check out the Savage smokeless MZ. My Savage MZ is my favorite gun.


Thanks for your reply, you got to the heart of what I am trying to figure out which is: the best caliber to reach out around the 200 range, still have enough energy for deer, and have a flat trajectory.

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#604517 - 02/07/08 02:09 PM Re: Smallest caliber for Deer? [Re: sjalter]
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If you're wanting range and power, and you're not concerned with being traditional or not, get a savage smokeless in .50 caliber. You'll easily bust the 2000+ FPS mark using 300 gr. bullets.

http://randywakeman.com/10ML-II%20Exterior%20Ballistics.htm
http://randywakeman.com/A%202008%20Look%20at%20Savage%2010ML-II%20Preferred%20Loads.htm
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#634944 - 02/27/08 04:19 AM Re: Smallest caliber for Deer? [Re: CHRIS WILSON]
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Energy= Mass x Velocity squared

Energy = 250gr x ####fps squared

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If you know the BC or the bullet and your velocity you can use this program.
http://www.handloads.com/calc/index.html


Edited by Cull Buck Hunter (02/27/08 04:22 AM)
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#635022 - 02/27/08 07:30 AM Re: Smallest caliber for Deer? [Re: Cull Buck Hunter]
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Very good replies guys. I learned alittle more.
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