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#594303 - 02/01/08 12:22 PM 17 HMR VS. .204
sjalter
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Been reading up on these two calibers trying to decide which one to pick for my new varmint rifle. What would be some pros and cons for each caliber? Any opinions or reasons for the best caliber to pick would be much appreciated?
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#594352 - 02/01/08 12:54 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: sjalter]
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17 HMR is only going to get you out to around 150 yds until it starts dropping. The .204 will get you out to 400. These are considerably different cartridges. What are you shooting game-wise and how far?

If I was coyote hunting or p-dog hunting, the .204 gets the nod. If hunting sguirrels on the ground and longer distances distances, it would get the nod over .22rf.

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#594373 - 02/01/08 01:12 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: vonb]
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For a predator gun, the 204 hands down, no competition.
For ground hogs and such, it depends on how far you will be shooting.
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#594422 - 02/01/08 01:44 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
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I mainly want something for target shooting anywhere from 200 to 300 yards so I can improve my long range shooting abilites, so I would be going through a lot of rounds. Therefore, the cost of the rounds is a big factor! As far as hunting, it would be for squirrels, rabbits, groundhogs and, crows. I already have a .243 for coyotes and such.
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#594428 - 02/01/08 01:46 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: sjalter]
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22 Mag would be my choice.
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#594460 - 02/01/08 02:02 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: Model70Man]
sjalter
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 Originally Posted By: Model70Man
22 Mag would be my choice.


Any reasons why? Are the rounds cheap? Does it shoot flater?

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#594543 - 02/01/08 02:39 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: ]
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Yes I do know that the .204 for is a centerfire and the 17HMR is a rimfire. The remington ballistics chart that I have been refering to only has ballistics for the 17 HMR, so I really can't compare it to the .204, that is why I am asking the question here on the forum. The remington ballistics chart says the 17 HMR only drops 3.3 inches @ 300 yards...to me that is pretty darn flat. I don't know what rounds for the .204 cost but I have found out that a box of 50 ea. 17HMR's is @ $13.00 seems pretty reasonable.
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#594570 - 02/01/08 02:57 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: sjalter]
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i think you need to look again \:\) they make a .17 that is center fire that is a hot round,i have a 22mag & a .17hmr & like both,at most ranges the 22mag will have more energy but the .17 is flatter shooting,no center fires allowed for squirrels as far as i know,mike243
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#594670 - 02/01/08 04:05 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: DEER ASSASSIN
17 rem fireball



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#594725 - 02/01/08 04:45 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Dr. Dickel
If you don't reload and buying ammo is your only option, then 204 ammo will cost you @$18 a box (20).


Wow! $18 for a box of 20...I can buy .243 rounds cheaper.

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#594729 - 02/01/08 04:51 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: sjalter]
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I'm sorry fellas...thanks for correcting me I had the 17 HMR confused with the 17 REM...that changes everything...sorry for the confusion.
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#594823 - 02/01/08 05:59 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
i think you need to look again \:\) they make a .17 that is center fire that is a hot round,i have a 22mag & a .17hmr & like both,at most ranges the 22mag will have more energy but the .17 is flatter shooting,no center fires allowed for squirrels as far as i know,mike243


Ditto!

17HMR drop at 300 with .0 zero is 35"

204 drop at 300 with a 1.5" zero is 3.5"

BIG DIFFERENCE!
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#594866 - 02/01/08 06:44 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: statelineRUT]
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204 is the cheapest high performance round to reload on the market,,it goes faster and flatter than calibers that burn twice the powder and over twice the bullet weight,,

it is a small varmint exploder,,crows,and such and will drop a yote or groundhog,,the next step in varmint calibers is the 25-06 with 75 gr V-Max bullets over 3700,that will do cartwheels with groundhogs and turn a yote inside out,,
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#594884 - 02/01/08 06:59 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: sjalter]
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 Originally Posted By: sjalter
 Originally Posted By: Model70Man
22 Mag would be my choice.


Any reasons why? Are the rounds cheap? Does it shoot flater?


The price of ammo is significantly less expensive, about $10 per box of 50. You can also get a wider variety of bullet choices from 30 grains to 50 grains. It doesn't shoot flatter than an HMR, but on a day with a slight breeze, the 22 Mag bullet will not drift as much as the HMR. The 204 is a much flatter shooting rifle, but it is significanly more expensive to shoot. If money is not an issue, then the 204 is the way to go.
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#595543 - 02/02/08 10:23 AM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: Model70Man]
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Thanks gentleman for all your input, you all have answered my questions even though I didn't know the right way to ask them.
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#595764 - 02/02/08 02:25 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: sjalter]
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OK
so what is wrong with the 223??
It can put a yote down and smoke a crow.???
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#596150 - 02/02/08 07:33 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: remke]
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Nothing, it's my personal choice but you have to admit the 204 Ruger has some pretty impressive ballistics.
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#596184 - 02/02/08 07:49 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: Cull Buck Hunter]
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mrbig,i got some 243 55g winchester rounds that advertized 3910fps,looks like on papper it outdoes the 204 but i havent looked any farther than whats been posted here,
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Bullet Wt. Grs. 55
Bullet Type Ballistic Silvertip®
CXP Guide No. Game Guide 1 - Varmints
Barrel Length (in) -
Velocity in Feet Per Second (fps)
Muzzle 3910
100 3493
200 3114
300 2766
400 2444
500 2144
Energy in Foot Pounds (ft-lbs.)
Muzzle 1867
100 1489
200 1184
300 934
400 729
500 562
Trajectory, Short Range Yards
50 -0.4
100 0
150 -0.3
200 -1.4
250 -3.3
300 -6.3
400 -
500 -
Trajectory, Long Range Yards
100 0.7
150 0.7
200 0
250 -1.6
300 -4.3
400 -13.1
500 -27.7


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#596308 - 02/02/08 09:08 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: mike243]
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Nice Mike. I plan on loading some lighter rounds for the 243 this year to experiment a little. I am currently loading 75gr vmax's for the windy days on the big fields. The 204 is great out to 300 with no wind, but the wind plays heck with it past that.
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#596348 - 02/02/08 09:39 PM Re: 17 HMR VS. .204 [Re: statelineRUT]
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yea it gets them all at some point til they hit something \:\) the 243 has less drop than the 25-06 at 500yards when both shoot there lightest weight bullets & thats what i would shoot for varmits instead of buying a new calibur just for that purpose,now if i had $ to spend i would like to have 1 of every calibur,each 1 has a atribute that a diffrent cal dosent & finding it is alot of fun from what i have read,im not knocking the 204 or the 2506 but the 243 is hard to beat for a allpurpose calibur,i may read up un the 243wsm & see what the balistics look like just for fun,mike243
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